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Post by vjaska on Jun 25, 2020 23:38:04 GMT
You obviously have no knowledge of London Bus History .73 has been around for ever 476 is the newbie. 73 is very busy route always has been.Stoke Newington Angel Kings X Euston TCR Oxford Street ( not OXO that's in Blackfriars) Marble Arch Hyde Park Kensington Hammersmith Barnes Sheen Richmond. It even got extended to Hounslow on Sundays. A proper route d*mn, that was kinda rude. Let me clarify, I am one of the younger users on the forum, being 14. So, yeah, I 100% agree and know 73 is the busier route and has been for all it’s time, both routes are local to me at the central end. I only said the 73 was well “useless”, of course it’s not but because 476 covers most of the route and more. If the 476 was extended to Oxford Circus, it would duplicate the 73 and also that Stoke Newington to Northumberland Park is longer. Whilst I don't agree with removing the 476 at all or agree that the routes mentioned are unnecessary, I do agree that it was harsh as to how you was spoken to - it's not a crime if you don't know the history. |
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Post by greg on Jun 26, 2020 0:14:56 GMT
d*mn, that was kinda rude. Let me clarify, I am one of the younger users on the forum, being 14. So, yeah, I 100% agree and know 73 is the busier route and has been for all it’s time, both routes are local to me at the central end. I only said the 73 was well “useless”, of course it’s not but because 476 covers most of the route and more. If the 476 was extended to Oxford Circus, it would duplicate the 73 and also that Stoke Newington to Northumberland Park is longer. Whilst I don't agree with removing the 476 at all or agree that the routes mentioned are unnecessary, I do agree that it was harsh as to how you was spoken to - it's not a crime if you don't know the history. Thank you  |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 28, 2020 9:15:14 GMT
73 could be one as you can use the 476 from Stoke Newington to King’s Cross and the 390 from King’s Cross to Victoria. 25 has the 86/425 between Ilford and Stratford, and the 425 even further to Mile End and then the 205 from Mile End to Aldgate and the 8 between Bank and City Thameslink if TFL were really out of their mind, could actually do some changes to these routes TfL could extend route 115 to Mansion House via Bank and withdraw route 25.  Disclaimer: This would enable all its roads to retain cover but I would hate the route to be withdrawn.  |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 28, 2020 9:30:14 GMT
Or even the 115 to City Thameslink and the 25 cut to Aldgate. Could even go ahead with the proposed re route of the 115 to maintain a city to Whitechapel link.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 28, 2020 9:54:40 GMT
Or even the 115 to City Thameslink and the 25 cut to Aldgate. Could even go ahead with the proposed re route of the 115 to maintain a city to Whitechapel link. I suddenly wonder whether route 135 will be vulnerable when Crossrail opens. Crossrail will link Liverpool Street with Canary Wharf. Route 205 links Old Street & Liverpool Street (and route 115 could be extended to Old Street to maintain the Old Street - Commercial Road link) , route D3 duplicates the "round the corner" link from Limehouse station to Canary Wharf, and changes could be made to keep Spindrift Avenue served. |
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Post by rif153 on Jun 28, 2020 14:23:50 GMT
Or even the 115 to City Thameslink and the 25 cut to Aldgate. Could even go ahead with the proposed re route of the 115 to maintain a city to Whitechapel link. I suddenly wonder whether route 135 will be vulnerable when Crossrail opens. Crossrail will link Liverpool Street with Canary Wharf. Route 205 links Old Street & Liverpool Street (and route 115 could be extended to Old Street to maintain the Old Street - Commercial Road link) , route D3 duplicates the "round the corner" link from Limehouse station to Canary Wharf, and changes could be made to keep Spindrift Avenue served. I know the 135 doesn't quite serve Whitechapel but it stops pretty much walking distance away from the station and that will also be served by Crossrail, if you wanted to travel from Canary Wharf to Aldgate it would be much faster just to get Crossrail to Whitechapel and walk down the road. This furthers the idea that the 135 could be tampered with once Crossrail opens. It remains to be seen what will happen to the route but I hope that it isn't completely withdrawn as it does provide useful links around East London and the Docklands. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 28, 2020 14:29:02 GMT
I suddenly wonder whether route 135 will be vulnerable when Crossrail opens. Crossrail will link Liverpool Street with Canary Wharf. Route 205 links Old Street & Liverpool Street (and route 115 could be extended to Old Street to maintain the Old Street - Commercial Road link) , route D3 duplicates the "round the corner" link from Limehouse station to Canary Wharf, and changes could be made to keep Spindrift Avenue served. I know the 135 doesn't quite serve Whitechapel but it stops pretty much walking distance away from the station and that will also be served by Crossrail, if you wanted to travel from Canary Wharf to Aldgate it would be much faster just to get Crossrail to Whitechapel and walk down the road. This furthers the idea that the 135 could be tampered with once Crossrail opens. It remains to be seen what will happen to the route but I hope that it isn't completely withdrawn as it does provide useful links around East London and the Docklands. Now you mention it, I also realise that route 135 goes near Shadwell, from where there is the DLR to Canary Wharf. We would just need changes to cover the Docklands section, either to 1 or more of routes D6/7/8 or new route potentially numbered D5 replacing route 135 between Canary Wharf and Crossharbour. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 28, 2020 15:20:10 GMT
Could extend the 15 now further into the Docklands since its lost the TSQ to Paddington section of past years. Or keep the 135 but merge the 15 and 115 to remove one of the routes from Commercial Road. Either way the drastic cut of the 15 since 2010 could easily allow it an extension.
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Post by ronnie on Jun 28, 2020 15:39:29 GMT
I suddenly wonder whether route 135 will be vulnerable when Crossrail opens. Crossrail will link Liverpool Street with Canary Wharf. Route 205 links Old Street & Liverpool Street (and route 115 could be extended to Old Street to maintain the Old Street - Commercial Road link) , route D3 duplicates the "round the corner" link from Limehouse station to Canary Wharf, and changes could be made to keep Spindrift Avenue served. I know the 135 doesn't quite serve Whitechapel but it stops pretty much walking distance away from the station and that will also be served by Crossrail, if you wanted to travel from Canary Wharf to Aldgate it would be much faster just to get Crossrail to Whitechapel and walk down the road. This furthers the idea that the 135 could be tampered with once Crossrail opens. It remains to be seen what will happen to the route but I hope that it isn't completely withdrawn as it does provide useful links around East London and the Docklands. Think where you will run into issues is the way the isle of dogs is served given the limited entry / exit options The 135 is actually fairly busy and is a pretty useful link. During peaks it’s quite busy in the Docklands despite a rather circuitous route (I have used it a number of times to get to work). It gets a fair bit of patronage from people working in the city and living on the commercial road corridor as well so you would run into trouble by withdrawing it |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 28, 2020 15:42:08 GMT
Tue 115 could take on the Old Street section of the 135.
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Post by greg on Jun 28, 2020 17:03:06 GMT
Could extend the 15 now further into the Docklands since its lost the TSQ to Paddington section of past years. Or keep the 135 but merge the 15 and 115 to remove one of the routes from Commercial Road. Either way the drastic cut of the 15 since 2010 could easily allow it an extension. I agree with this, I would do: 15 and 115 merged East Ham to Aldgate but from Aldgate to run to City Thameslink via the 25 instead 25 rerouted to Trafalgar Square via the 15 Seems better if the ends were switched, as I’d see both routes become busier if the ends were swapped. With the 135, I think it will stay the same. Not everyone will choose to get on a train, and some of the stations en route are a walk (Whitechapel for example). If anything, they should just decrease the frequency. It will still be busy once Crossrail opens anyways, and if the frequency was decreased it would maintain that. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 28, 2020 17:18:21 GMT
The 135 was also created for local demand on the Isle of Dogs as I think it replaced some shorts on the D7 which Crossrail will assist with as they were probably more residential and school oriented. So agree the 135 will stay as it is.
I do think there is some scope now for the 15 and 115 to rejoin.
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Post by rif153 on Jun 28, 2020 17:18:38 GMT
I know the 135 doesn't quite serve Whitechapel but it stops pretty much walking distance away from the station and that will also be served by Crossrail, if you wanted to travel from Canary Wharf to Aldgate it would be much faster just to get Crossrail to Whitechapel and walk down the road. This furthers the idea that the 135 could be tampered with once Crossrail opens. It remains to be seen what will happen to the route but I hope that it isn't completely withdrawn as it does provide useful links around East London and the Docklands. Think where you will run into issues is the way the isle of dogs is served given the limited entry / exit options The 135 is actually fairly busy and is a pretty useful link. During peaks it’s quite busy in the Docklands despite a rather circuitous route (I have used it a number of times to get to work). It gets a fair bit of patronage from people working in the city and living on the commercial road corridor as well so you would run into trouble by withdrawing it Let me be clear. I don't want the 135 to be withdrawn or cut back for that matter, I was merely discussing with MetrolineGA1511 about the possibility of the 135 being in danger when Crossrail opens because the route serves Liverpool Street and Canary Wharf as well as going close to Whitechapel. I think that the connection from the Dockland to the City it provides is quite neat and that withdrawing it totally would be a mistake, but I can see TfL looking at trimming the route with the western end seeming vulnerable though greg raises a good point that the route may just get a frequency cut. Anyway it remains to be seen what happens. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 19:10:09 GMT
The 135 was also created for local demand on the Isle of Dogs as I think it replaced some shorts on the D7 which Crossrail will assist with as they were probably more residential and school oriented. So agree the 135 will stay as it is. I do think there is some scope now for the 15 and 115 to rejoin. Was thinking if City Hall is relocated to The Crystal in Royal Victoria it would be a good opportunity to introduce a bus service to this part of the docks and Excel! Perhaps the 15 could be extended from Blackwall to here or extended further on Canning Town via Silvertown Way.
Another option is divert the 115 after Canning Town Station via Excel/Docks then back to line of route after the Lower Lee Crossing / East India Dock Road with the 15 discontinued from Blackwall running via the current 115 route to Canning Town.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 28, 2020 21:33:26 GMT
The 135 was also created for local demand on the Isle of Dogs as I think it replaced some shorts on the D7 which Crossrail will assist with as they were probably more residential and school oriented. So agree the 135 will stay as it is. I do think there is some scope now for the 15 and 115 to rejoin. Was thinking if City Hall is relocated to The Crystal in Royal Victoria it would be a good opportunity to introduce a bus service to this part of the docks and Excel! Perhaps the 15 could be extended from Blackwall to here or extended further on Canning Town via Silvertown Way.
Another option is divert the 115 after Canning Town Station via Excel/Docks then back to line of route after the Lower Lee Crossing / East India Dock Road with the 15 discontinued from Blackwall running via the current 115 route to Canning Town.
I think extending the 15 to the new location would be a good idea - shouldn't add on too much running time either leaving the 115 to continue concentrating on it's current role. I personally don't see the need to remove the 15 and extend the 115 over it especially as it would likely cause reliability issues trying to run a East Ham to Trafalgar Square route nowadays. |
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