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Post by galwhv69 on Aug 20, 2019 16:10:07 GMT
Technically every bus has some degree of overlap with other routes. That’s why its a bus network! If one only had 1 route running down every street then I am not even daring to think of crowding levels Which does rather beg the question: which is the loneliest route? Which route has the least amount of overlap with another route? 23A  (Its on LVF) |
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Post by lundnah on Aug 20, 2019 16:16:20 GMT
Technically every bus has some degree of overlap with other routes. That’s why its a bus network! If one only had 1 route running down every street then I am not even daring to think of crowding levels Which does rather beg the question: which is the loneliest route? Which route has the least amount of overlap with another route? The loneliest bus is the 465 to Dorking, which has no overlap with any other TfL route for 11½ miles south of Chessington.
(of course most of this is outside London, which you could argue is technically unnecessary...)
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Post by aaron1 on Aug 20, 2019 17:43:19 GMT
I Found some Unnecessary bit of Night Routes like the N28 and the N31 From Kensington High Street to Camden Town can any one think of other routes like that.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 20, 2019 17:54:22 GMT
Whilst I agree, in the specific case of the Westbound Strand the cause was the part pedestrianisation of Trafalgar Square. The current road layout doesn't properly cater for either the number of buses or general traffic. The whole thing needs re-visiting, with a particular view to ensuring there is sufficient road capacity for the number of buses.
The Westbound Strand should be a case in point for any changes at Aldwych - do we really want to duplicate the Westbound Strand traffic jams on the Eastbound Strand? If Aldwych is going to be re-modelled, there is a great opportunity to show how well it can be done, with minimal traffic impact and in particular no adverse impact on buses.
More road space just attracts more traffic resulting in more congestion, Trafalgar Square will never go back to the way it was and nor should and I look forward to Aldwych being remodeled. Makes for a far more pleasant environment and attracts a lot more visitors to the area. Actually, that’s false - traffic levels are still increasing even though road space has decreased over the last number of years. As for Aldwych being remodelled a good idea, I beg to differ. Aldwych gets clogged up as it is without removing the bottom section - traffic isn’t going to magically disappear overnight. Bus passengers will evaporate away as it becomes more awkward to reach or pass through as a result - the only way you can make it work is to actually tackle congestion by substantially removing other vehicles off the road and getting people to use public transport. The abomination that Aldwych will become wont achieve that just like all these so called junction improvements that have been fostered upon us. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 20, 2019 17:59:47 GMT
I'd have switched the 35 and 45 and the northern end as the Clapham Junction to Elephant section is longer then the Atkins Road to Elephant section of the 45. Most people from Clapham Junction/Common only use the 35 to Brixton and Walworth as it's lot less direct then the 344 and 155 to a Elephant and Beyond. Maybe the 35 and hour long Clapham Junction to Elephant route which would improve reliability. That actually isn’t a bad idea, probably the best one besides not messing with them as TfL have done. |
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Post by george on Aug 20, 2019 18:00:06 GMT
Maybe not unnecessary but I have always thought the N97 should go beyond Hammersmith as it's a very short route.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 20, 2019 18:11:10 GMT
Maybe not unnecessary but I have always thought the N97 should go beyond Hammersmith as it's a very short route. It used run as far as Heathrow Airport up to about 2001 - at one point, it ran from Liverpool Street to Heathrow Airport |
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 20, 2019 18:36:20 GMT
They could swap the N97 with the N11 and have the N11 just focus on Liverpool Street to Hammersmith and have the N97 TSQ to Ealing Broadway as it maintain some day time tube links like Ealing Broadway to Earls court, Barons Court, South Kensington and Gloucester Road aswell as new links to Hyde Park Corner, Green Park and Piccadilly.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 20, 2019 18:42:41 GMT
Another option would be for the 35 to be diverted to Atkins Road and the 337 extended to Brixton to maintain cacapcity. Then the 45 could be discontinued.
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Post by aaron1 on Aug 20, 2019 18:50:44 GMT
The 71 and 465 shadowed from Kingston to Chessington one different that the 71 goes via Chessington North and South stations
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Post by galwhv69 on Aug 20, 2019 18:51:14 GMT
Another option would be for the 35 to be diverted to Atkins Road and the 337 extended to Brixton to maintain cacapcity. Then the 45 could be discontinued. Where could the 337 stand though? vjaska Does the P4 stand have enough space to accomodate another route? |
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Post by george on Aug 20, 2019 19:00:10 GMT
Another option would be for the 35 to be diverted to Atkins Road and the 337 extended to Brixton to maintain cacapcity. Then the 45 could be discontinued. W Will be too long imo, traffic along the A205 has become really bad since the closure of Hammersmith Bridge. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 19:33:36 GMT
Cheating a bit as not whole routes covered on the below :
241 is covered by every bus terminating at Canning Town Station from Hermit road then 325 (Freemasons Rd)> 262/473 To Stratford (Just small section to Stratford City from Stratford is missed
25: 425,205 then just a small section from Aldgate to Bank not covered but could use the 205 to Liverpool Street then 8!
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Post by ronnie on Aug 20, 2019 20:20:40 GMT
Cheating a bit as not whole routes covered on the below : 241 is covered by every bus terminating at Canning Town Station from Hermit road then 325 (Freemasons Rd)> 262/473 To Stratford (Just small section to Stratford City from Stratford is missed 25: 425,205 then just a small section from Aldgate to Bank not covered but could use the 205 to Liverpool Street then 8! 25 being fully covered by other routes ......................... 😱😱😱 |
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Post by busaholic on Aug 20, 2019 20:38:36 GMT
Maybe not unnecessary but I have always thought the N97 should go beyond Hammersmith as it's a very short route. It used run as far as Heathrow Airport up to about 2001 - at one point, it ran from Liverpool Street to Heathrow Airport Wasn't it the night route with the highest frequency (on the Central bit) and highest PVR before the advent of 24 hour routes? |
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