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Post by SILENCED on Oct 3, 2019 18:24:08 GMT
I've posted this before, sorry if I'm repeating myself. The 12 ran in two overlapping sections, 1) Willesden to Dulwich Plough, 2) OX to ElmersEnd Garage/South Croydon Garage Back in the '70's(I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong), the 'bottom bit' of the route south of Dulwich? was divided into the 12A & 12B Maybe someone younger than this old halfcab can enlighten us? According to the LT Allocation of Scheduled Buses (October 1969), the 12 had these scheduled sectional workings in the AM peak Mon-Fri: Figures below are buses per hour. Harlesden and Dulwich 7 Harlesden and Park Royal(Trading Estate)12/8 Park Royal Trading Estate and Shepherds Bush 3 Oxford Circus and Norwood Junction 4 Oxford Circus and Forest Hill 4 Peckham and South Croydon Garage 4 Norwood Junction and South Croydon Garage 4 In addition to the above there were also scheduled odd journeys such as between Addiscombe and Croydon(Katherine Street). Shepherds Bush buses did not operate south of Dulwich and TC buses did not operate past Oxford Circus. Elmers End buses could quite regularly be seen at both Croydon and Harlesden as they had the biggest allocation of 47(TC 8, PM 25 and S 11), giving a total of 91. The longest through journeys operated on a Sunday between Shepherd Bush(Wells Road) and South Croydon Garage. At that time terminating buses at Wells Road used to reverse onto the designated stand outside the administration block as S, but for some reason on a Sunday the 12 would terminate inside the garage, despite there being no workings from S on that day of the week. Sure I remember in the mid 70s when I was very young RMs and RTs (assume these were the vehicles with dustbin lid rear wheels hubs) at Norwood Junction blinded for Harlesden ... But not very often.
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Post by John tuthill on Oct 3, 2019 19:29:38 GMT
I've posted this before, sorry if I'm repeating myself. The 12 ran in two overlapping sections, 1) Willesden to Dulwich Plough, 2) OX to ElmersEnd Garage/South Croydon Garage Back in the '70's(I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong), the 'bottom bit' of the route south of Dulwich? was divided into the 12A & 12B Maybe someone younger than this old halfcab can enlighten us? According to the LT Allocation of Scheduled Buses (October 1969), the 12 had these scheduled sectional workings in the AM peak Mon-Fri: Figures below are buses per hour. Harlesden and Dulwich 7 Harlesden and Park Royal(Trading Estate)12/8 Park Royal Trading Estate and Shepherds Bush 3 Oxford Circus and Norwood Junction 4 Oxford Circus and Forest Hill 4 Peckham and South Croydon Garage 4 Norwood Junction and South Croydon Garage 4 In addition to the above there were also scheduled odd journeys such as between Addiscombe and Croydon(Katherine Street). Shepherds Bush buses did not operate south of Dulwich and TC buses did not operate past Oxford Circus. Elmers End buses could quite regularly be seen at both Croydon and Harlesden as they had the biggest allocation of 47(TC 8, PM 25 and S 11), giving a total of 91. The longest through journeys operated on a Sunday between Shepherd Bush(Wells Road) and South Croydon Garage. At that time terminating buses at Wells Road used to reverse onto the designated stand outside the administration block as S, but for some reason on a Sunday the 12 would terminate inside the garage, despite there being no workings from S on that day of the week. There were also unscheduled shorts from S to Park Royal Stadium when the greyhound racing was on.
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Post by busaholic on Oct 3, 2019 19:53:09 GMT
I've posted this before, sorry if I'm repeating myself. The 12 ran in two overlapping sections, 1) Willesden to Dulwich Plough, 2) OX to ElmersEnd Garage/South Croydon Garage Back in the '70's(I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong), the 'bottom bit' of the route south of Dulwich? was divided into the 12A & 12B Maybe someone younger than this old halfcab can enlighten us? According to the LT Allocation of Scheduled Buses (October 1969), the 12 had these scheduled sectional workings in the AM peak Mon-Fri: Figures below are buses per hour. Harlesden and Dulwich 7 Harlesden and Park Royal(Trading Estate)12/8 Park Royal Trading Estate and Shepherds Bush 3 Oxford Circus and Norwood Junction 4 Oxford Circus and Forest Hill 4 Peckham and South Croydon Garage 4 Norwood Junction and South Croydon Garage 4 In addition to the above there were also scheduled odd journeys such as between Addiscombe and Croydon(Katherine Street). Shepherds Bush buses did not operate south of Dulwich and TC buses did not operate past Oxford Circus. Elmers End buses could quite regularly be seen at both Croydon and Harlesden as they had the biggest allocation of 47(TC 8, PM 25 and S 11), giving a total of 91. The longest through journeys operated on a Sunday between Shepherd Bush(Wells Road) and South Croydon Garage. At that time terminating buses at Wells Road used to reverse onto the designated stand outside the administration block as S, but for some reason on a Sunday the 12 would terminate inside the garage, despite there being no workings from S on that day of the week. Ah, the memories I joined LT in the Bus Schedules Dept 17/11/69, so 50th anniversary coming up! It was a bit of a ritual to show new compilers the 12 timetable, as the pinnacle of the compiler's art, almost certainly the most complex bus schedule in the world. What couldn't even be implied in that summary of sectional working was that, for example, for scheduling reasons there were loads of buses leaving ED in the morning bound for either Harlesden or Park Royal, or that in the p.m. peak there was a very intensive service for an hour or so starting at Whitehall, Horse Guards before heading south, many straight to ED. Again, the reason for no S buses south of Dulwich wasn't that West London drivers might get spooked by Penge, but duty schedule efficiency. TC buses only went to Oxford Circus on a Saturday too, with Peckham the notherly extent on M-F, though I think there was the odd peak extension to Elephant.
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Post by busaholic on Oct 3, 2019 19:56:35 GMT
According to the LT Allocation of Scheduled Buses (October 1969), the 12 had these scheduled sectional workings in the AM peak Mon-Fri: Figures below are buses per hour. Harlesden and Dulwich 7 Harlesden and Park Royal(Trading Estate)12/8 Park Royal Trading Estate and Shepherds Bush 3 Oxford Circus and Norwood Junction 4 Oxford Circus and Forest Hill 4 Peckham and South Croydon Garage 4 Norwood Junction and South Croydon Garage 4 In addition to the above there were also scheduled odd journeys such as between Addiscombe and Croydon(Katherine Street). Shepherds Bush buses did not operate south of Dulwich and TC buses did not operate past Oxford Circus. Elmers End buses could quite regularly be seen at both Croydon and Harlesden as they had the biggest allocation of 47(TC 8, PM 25 and S 11), giving a total of 91. The longest through journeys operated on a Sunday between Shepherd Bush(Wells Road) and South Croydon Garage. At that time terminating buses at Wells Road used to reverse onto the designated stand outside the administration block as S, but for some reason on a Sunday the 12 would terminate inside the garage, despite there being no workings from S on that day of the week. Sure I remember in the mid 70s when I was very young RMs and RTs (assume these were the vehicles with dustbin lid rear wheels hubs) at Norwood Junction blinded for Harlesden ... But not very often. Your memory would be correct - some buses came out of ED, down to NJ, then up to Harlesden. Would definitely have been an ED bus, too, that you saw.
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Post by lazy_eye_metaphor on Oct 4, 2019 19:25:07 GMT
410 Bromley North - Reigate. I get goosebumps just thinking about it!
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Post by busaholic on Oct 4, 2019 19:34:11 GMT
410 Bromley North - Reigate. I get goosebumps just thinking about it! On an RML, great, an AF pretty good, but an RLH? Lower deck only for me, I'm afraid.
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Post by lazy_eye_metaphor on Oct 5, 2019 11:16:49 GMT
410 Bromley North - Reigate. I get goosebumps just thinking about it! On an RML, great, an AF pretty good, but an RLH? Lower deck only for me, I'm afraid. Didn't know the route during the RML era. I used to love the AFs though. So much more stylish than their LT equivalent, the DMS. They looked terrific in the original green and yellow livery.
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 11, 2019 22:35:19 GMT
Not a discontinued route but I would love to have had a chance to ride the 54 from West Croydon before it went. Not necessarily end to end but certainly from Croydon to Lewisham would have been great. I had family in Bromley and would often see the 54 along Addiscombe Road whilst driving over there and love that nice surberbia through Beckenham.
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Post by route53 on Oct 15, 2019 23:23:53 GMT
Not a discontinued route but I would love to have had a chance to ride the 54 from West Croydon before it went. Not necessarily end to end but certainly from Croydon to Lewisham would have been great. I had family in Bromley and would often see the 54 along Addiscombe Road whilst driving over there and love that nice surberbia through Beckenham. Beckenham is a nice part of the world, :-) I also never got a chance to ride the 54 in its original form, I recall that Sunday services the 54 was operated by single deck hoops buses! This had to be the longest hoppa route in London at the time
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Post by busaholic on Oct 20, 2019 16:54:57 GMT
I once did the old 187 in one go, which wasn't easy during the week.Hampstead Heath to South Harrow Station via Maida Vale and West Kilburn.The word meandering comes to mind, and it was certainly unreliable at its eastern end. Look at old photos of Hampstead Heath bus terminal and spot the 187! Not sure I ever did. Pre 268, 168 and C11 it was the only link from the Hampstead area down to Swiss Cottage, but you had to be a supreme optimist to wait at a stop for one.
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Post by LT 20181 on Nov 2, 2019 19:51:47 GMT
A small question about the old 705 route (Paddington to Liverpool Street). Where did buses stand at the Paddington end of the route? Does anyone remember?
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Post by redexpress on Nov 2, 2019 20:19:27 GMT
A small question about the old 705 route (Paddington to Liverpool Street). Where did buses stand at the Paddington end of the route? Does anyone remember? There was a stand for the Stationlink services (705 and its predecessors) on the old taxi road that ran parallel to Eastbourne Terrace. The road has long since been swallowed up by Crossrail works.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Nov 2, 2019 20:54:24 GMT
Theres a couple of routes I miss from East London.
When I was (very) young, the S1 from Stratford always seemed to be an "adventurous" route, following the current 104 from Stratford up to East Ham Station then the current 238 back to Stratford as a circular route. One direction the buses had black on yellow blinds (can never remember which way).
There was also the 278 that was an odd route, running from Beckton Asda (or East Beckton District Centre back then) that followed the 300 to Prince Regent, 325 to Romford Road, then went to Stratford, Bromley By Bow then to Limehouse along Devons Road
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Post by vjaska on Nov 2, 2019 21:18:54 GMT
I miss the days of when 109's, 118's & 250's terminated at Lambeth Town Hall and could turn around back towards Streatham via the one way system - I know, quite niche but once Brixton Hill over that section became two way, it removed something I saw quite regularly
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Post by COBO on Nov 3, 2019 0:30:01 GMT
I miss the section of 16 between Brent Park Tesco's and Cricklewood Bus Garage.
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