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Post by busaholic on Aug 29, 2019 13:50:42 GMT
I'd also extend the Hayes Line to the south with new stations in Keston, Biggin Hill and Westerham. There is a big void of rail links in that area that I'd like to fill. I'd like to see Tramlink extended to Hayes, but the chances of extending the Hayes line further south are as near nil as possible to get, especially as long-term Hayes may become part of the Underground network.
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 29, 2019 14:36:35 GMT
I'd also extend the Hayes Line to the south with new stations in Keston, Biggin Hill and Westerham. There is a big void of rail links in that area that I'd like to fill. I'd like to see Tramlink extended to Hayes, but the chances of extending the Hayes line further south are as near nil as possible to get, especially as long-term Hayes may become part of the Underground network. I doubt it. It would require a lot of expensive engineering in the Lewisham area to bring the Bakerloo Line up to the surface and link it into the Hayes Line, especially as there are two rivers flowing through the area. Also I think the well-heeled commuters on that line would fight toot-and-nail to stop their relatively fast links to Central London using full-size trains being replaced by small tube trains with lots of intermediate stops.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 29, 2019 15:35:15 GMT
I'd also extend the Hayes Line to the south with new stations in Keston, Biggin Hill and Westerham. There is a big void of rail links in that area that I'd like to fill. I'd like to see Tramlink extended to Hayes, but the chances of extending the Hayes line further south are as near nil as possible to get, especially as long-term Hayes may become part of the Underground network. I know you said long term, but I feel a BLE rant in me. I can’t see the Bakerloo line extension opening before 2040 at the earliest. I went to a talk at the Insitute of Civil Engineers where a Lewisham councillor was talking about the BLE. She sounded delusional when suggesting that it’d be open by 2030, furthermore the figure she gave for the cost was a laughable underestimate. You have the issues on the Charing Cross line, at the flat junction with Thameslink up to Blackfriars, and the Bakerloo line extension would help alleviate some of this pressure but if we get a case where it’s only been delivered as far as Lewisham, that won’t help take pressure of Southeastern lines. The BLE will help to free up capacity on the lines into London Bridge in the mornings and will have long term benefits but doesn’t looks to be happening any time soon.
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Post by Dillon95 on Aug 29, 2019 17:09:17 GMT
I'd also extend the Hayes Line to the south with new stations in Keston, Biggin Hill and Westerham. There is a big void of rail links in that area that I'd like to fill. I'd like to see Tramlink extended to Hayes, but the chances of extending the Hayes line further south are as near nil as possible to get, especially as long-term Hayes may become part of the Underground network. My idea is never gonna happen in the real world, but it's a fantasy idea I've always liked.
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Post by busaholic on Aug 29, 2019 17:49:53 GMT
I'd like to see Tramlink extended to Hayes, but the chances of extending the Hayes line further south are as near nil as possible to get, especially as long-term Hayes may become part of the Underground network. I doubt it. It would require a lot of expensive engineering in the Lewisham area to bring the Bakerloo Line up to the surface and link it into the Hayes Line, especially as there are two rivers flowing through the area. Also I think the well-heeled commuters on that line would fight toot-and-nail to stop their relatively fast links to Central London using full-size trains being replaced by small tube trains with lots of intermediate stops. Don't get me wrong, the chances of the Bakerloo getting to Hayes are probably even slimmer than Crossrail 2 ever getting started, but it'll be cited by both TfL and Network Rail and whatever organisation gets to run S.E. services as to why no ideas for improvements on the Hayes line ever get to first base, and that was the meaning of what I wrote, but poorly expressed.
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Post by busaholic on Aug 29, 2019 17:54:39 GMT
I'd like to see Tramlink extended to Hayes, but the chances of extending the Hayes line further south are as near nil as possible to get, especially as long-term Hayes may become part of the Underground network. My idea is never gonna happen in the real world, but it's a fantasy idea I've always liked. Fair enough - must admit the idea of having a station at Biggin Hill when I was stuck there all day on a mobile library trailer and having to make my own way home would have been wonderful: having a pub to have lunch in would have been an even greater fantasy
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Post by busman on Aug 29, 2019 19:38:15 GMT
If I was Rail God, I would unleash spending on the rail network unlike any other in the world. Tunnels would be bored throughout the country to accommodate a replacement to HS2 and a new outer London orbital service.
1. Replace HS2 in its current form with an ultra high speed Maglev version - Maglev 1. Stopping at Glasgow, Edinburgh, Newcastle then split into 2 routes - Leeds, Manchester, Manchester Airport, Liverpool; / Leeds, Birmingham, Birmingham Airport, London Heathrow, Old Oak Common, Euston. An additional overlapping Maglev 2 route would operate between Truro, Exeter, Southampton, Gatwick Airport, London Heathrow, Birmingham Airport, Birmingham, Manchester Airport, Manchester and Liverpool.
2. Build Crossrail2
3. Create a high speed Maglev 3 orbital Rail&Ride service around London. This will increase connectivity in the suburbs with the new Maglev lines and eliminate the need to go into London to make onward connections.
Broxbourne (Crossrail 2) Epping (Central Line) Noak Hill (New Station) Harold Wood (Elizabeth Line) Upminster (LO, District Line, C2C) Rainham (C2C) Erith (SouthEastern, Thameslink) Dartford (SouthEastern) Orpington (SouthEastern, Thameslink) Biggin Hill (New Station) Oxted (Southern) Gatwick Airport (MagLev2, GWR, Gatwick Express, Southern, Thameslink) Leatherhead (SouthWestern, Southern) Chessington (Crossrail 2) Sunbury (SouthWestern) Heathrow Terminal 4 (Elizabeth Line, Piccadilly Line, Maglev 1&2) Heathrow Terminals 2 & 3 (Heathrow Express, Elizabeth Line, Piccadilly Line, Maglev 1&2) Heathrow Terminal 5 (Heathrow Express, Elizabeth Line, Piccadilly Line, Maglev 1&2) Slough (Elizabeth Line, GWR) Beaconsfield (Chiltern) Amersham (Chiltern, Metropolitan Line) Chesham (Metropolitan Line) Hemel Hempstead (Southern, West Midland Trains) St Albans City (Thameslink) Hatfield (Great Northern, Thameslink) Bayford (Great Northern) Broxbourne (Crossrail 2)
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Post by route53 on Sept 5, 2019 16:50:35 GMT
Victoria to Dartford via Greenwich: Calling at Camberwell Denmark Hill, Peckham Rye, Nunhead, Lewisham Road, Blackheath Hill, Greenwich Park, Maze Hill, Westcombe Park, Charlton, Woolwich Dockyard, Woolwich Arsenal, Plumstead, Abbey Wood, Belvedere, Erith, Slade Green and Dartford
Denmark Hill would add Camberwell to its name.
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Post by MrMaguire on Sept 5, 2019 17:12:58 GMT
Victoria to Dartford via Greenwich: Calling at Camberwell Denmark Hill, Peckham Rye, Nunhead, Lewisham Road, Blackheath Hill, Greenwich Park, Maze Hill, Westcombe Park, Charlton, Woolwich Dockyard, Woolwich Arsenal, Plumstead, Abbey Wood, Belvedere, Erith, Slade Green and Dartford Denmark Hill would add Camberwell to its name. Can trains go from Blackheath to Greenwich, or is that fantasy?
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Post by route53 on Sept 5, 2019 17:45:39 GMT
Victoria to Dartford via Greenwich: Calling at Camberwell Denmark Hill, Peckham Rye, Nunhead, Lewisham Road, Blackheath Hill, Greenwich Park, Maze Hill, Westcombe Park, Charlton, Woolwich Dockyard, Woolwich Arsenal, Plumstead, Abbey Wood, Belvedere, Erith, Slade Green and Dartford Denmark Hill would add Camberwell to its name. Can trains go from Blackheath to Greenwich, or is that fantasy? Very much a fantasy but up until 1917 there used to be a branch line from Nunhead to Lewisham Road, Blackheath Hill and Greenwich Park, the line has long since disappeared under new developments over the past century
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Post by busaholic on Sept 5, 2019 19:57:55 GMT
Victoria to Dartford via Greenwich: Calling at Camberwell Denmark Hill, Peckham Rye, Nunhead, Lewisham Road, Blackheath Hill, Greenwich Park, Maze Hill, Westcombe Park, Charlton, Woolwich Dockyard, Woolwich Arsenal, Plumstead, Abbey Wood, Belvedere, Erith, Slade Green and Dartford Denmark Hill would add Camberwell to its name. Can trains go from Blackheath to Greenwich, or is that fantasy? I believe the question has been answered, but it's interesting that Blackheath to Greenwich by direct bus has rarely occurred either, if by Blackheath one means the Village and by Greenwich the area around the Cutty Sark known to bus people as Greenwich Church, althought the 108B made this connection for a while.
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Post by Dillon95 on Sept 10, 2019 10:59:17 GMT
Can trains go from Blackheath to Greenwich, or is that fantasy? I believe the question has been answered, but it's interesting that Blackheath to Greenwich by direct bus has rarely occurred either, if by Blackheath one means the Village and by Greenwich the area around the Cutty Sark known to bus people as Greenwich Church, althought the 108B made this connection for a while. Doesn't the 386 do exactly this?
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Post by rif153 on Sept 23, 2019 20:23:52 GMT
I know this thread hasn't been active for a while now, but something I've been discussing with george has come to mind. Currently, the Kingston-Waterloo journey isn't great because of all the stops you have to endure. Kingston is a bustling town, and I feel there is scope for a faster Kingston-Waterloo service to help mop up demand to get into Central London. 2tph semi stopping around the Kingston Loop Calling at: Vauxhall Clapham Junction Putney Barnes Richmond Twickenham Teddington Kingston New Malden Raynes Park - 1tph only Wimbledon Earlsfield Clapham Junction Vauxhall Waterloo Sorry Strawberry Hill, Hampton Wick, and Norbiton, but those stations are pretty dead and have decent bus connections to nearby stations for those in envy of this service.
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Post by foxhat on Sept 24, 2019 11:58:41 GMT
Reopen Moorgate - Finsbury Park - Highgate - Muswell Hill Reopen Moorgate - Finsbury Park - Highgate - Mill Hill East - Edgware
Reconfigure the DLR from Shadwell to run Tower Gateway - Fenchurch Street - Bank - Ludgate Circus/St. Paul's - Aldwych - Charing Cross
Extend Crossrail to Ebbsfleet Intl via Bluewater from Abbey Wood Extend HS1 services from Ashford Intl along the Marshlink to Hastings
An Overground Willesden Junction to Ally Pally via Primrose Hill service (with reopened Primrose Hill station) would be good
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 24, 2019 13:33:31 GMT
I know this thread hasn't been active for a while now, but something I've been discussing with george has come to mind. Currently, the Kingston-Waterloo journey isn't great because of all the stops you have to endure. Kingston is a bustling town, and I feel there is scope for a faster Kingston-Waterloo service to help mop up demand to get into Central London. 2tph semi stopping around the Kingston Loop Calling at: Vauxhall Clapham Junction Putney Barnes Richmond Twickenham Teddington Kingston New Malden Raynes Park - 1tph only Wimbledon Earlsfield Clapham Junction Vauxhall Waterloo Sorry Strawberry Hill, Hampton Wick, and Norbiton, but those stations are pretty dead and have decent bus connections to nearby stations for those in envy of this service. I think a simpler solution to this would be to retain the loop service as a stopping service, but convert the Shepperton services to semi-fast between Kingston and Waterloo, e.g. only calling at Wimbledon, Clapham Junction and Vauxhall.
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