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Post by galwhv69 on Dec 20, 2019 11:11:27 GMT
X64 - Limited stop service from Wimbledon to Gatwick Airport via Morden, Rose Hill, Sutton, Merstham and Redhill. Start it at Putney to relieve the 93 which currently runs on its own and gets super busy
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Post by M1104 on Dec 20, 2019 11:26:47 GMT
X64 - Limited stop service from Wimbledon to Gatwick Airport via Morden, Rose Hill, Sutton, Merstham and Redhill. Start it at Putney to relieve the 93 which currently runs on its own and gets super busy I actually had thought about another new route in relation to that...from Raynes Park via the 163 to Wimbledon, via the 93 to Putney and via the 22 to Chelsea World's End (pushing the 328 to Battersea Latchmere).
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Post by kenmet on Dec 20, 2019 11:29:06 GMT
Wouldn't it be better for the Charing Cross service to do Lewisham Blackheath Charlton Woolwich Arsenal Abbey Wood Dartford Greenhithe Gravesend and all stations to Rainham and the Thameslink train all stations to Gravesend? Thameslink is of no benefit to the Medway Towns as it's just too slow, in the long term I think Crossrail should be extended to Rainham. I do agree with you guys on there being no benefit of Thameslink being in Medway, I was simply trying balance out the needs of passengers on the Greenwich/North Kent lines, personally I hope the service is withdrawn in the near future and the semi fasts are restored, but isn’t having CrossRail extended to Medway similar to Thameslink? Wouldn’t that also be too long? In this scenario I’d like this to happen: - The Metro SE area is transferred to LO - Services on the Greenwich line are curtailed at Plumstead, or Abbey Wood if it gains an extra platform - Only the Woolwich and Sidcup semi fasts remain with SE, the Sidcup fasts would be extended to Medway, giving it 4tph along the London-Dartford-Gravesend-Medway corridor. - LO services on the Sidcup and Bexleyheath lines would terminate at Dartford - CrossRail takes over stopping services beyond Abbey Wood to Ebbsfleet/Gravesend Crossrail would be much quicker into Central London to and from the Medway Towns, the only downside is the lack of on board toilets but it's about the same distance from London as Reading is. I'm not sure about SE Metro services being transferred to LO, with very little spare capacity there isn't much chance of any additional services.
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Post by Dillon95 on Dec 21, 2019 0:33:22 GMT
I do agree with you guys on there being no benefit of Thameslink being in Medway, I was simply trying balance out the needs of passengers on the Greenwich/North Kent lines, personally I hope the service is withdrawn in the near future and the semi fasts are restored, but isn’t having CrossRail extended to Medway similar to Thameslink? Wouldn’t that also be too long? In this scenario I’d like this to happen: - The Metro SE area is transferred to LO - Services on the Greenwich line are curtailed at Plumstead, or Abbey Wood if it gains an extra platform - Only the Woolwich and Sidcup semi fasts remain with SE, the Sidcup fasts would be extended to Medway, giving it 4tph along the London-Dartford-Gravesend-Medway corridor. - LO services on the Sidcup and Bexleyheath lines would terminate at Dartford - CrossRail takes over stopping services beyond Abbey Wood to Ebbsfleet/Gravesend Crossrail would be much quicker into Central London to and from the Medway Towns, the only downside is the lack of on board toilets but it's about the same distance from London as Reading is. I'm not sure about SE Metro services being transferred to LO, with very little spare capacity there isn't much chance of any additional services. At least they'd be ran more reliably with modern trains if TFL took over though.
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Post by route53 on Dec 21, 2019 15:23:12 GMT
I do agree with you guys on there being no benefit of Thameslink being in Medway, I was simply trying balance out the needs of passengers on the Greenwich/North Kent lines, personally I hope the service is withdrawn in the near future and the semi fasts are restored, but isn’t having CrossRail extended to Medway similar to Thameslink? Wouldn’t that also be too long? In this scenario I’d like this to happen: - The Metro SE area is transferred to LO - Services on the Greenwich line are curtailed at Plumstead, or Abbey Wood if it gains an extra platform - Only the Woolwich and Sidcup semi fasts remain with SE, the Sidcup fasts would be extended to Medway, giving it 4tph along the London-Dartford-Gravesend-Medway corridor. - LO services on the Sidcup and Bexleyheath lines would terminate at Dartford - CrossRail takes over stopping services beyond Abbey Wood to Ebbsfleet/Gravesend Crossrail would be much quicker into Central London to and from the Medway Towns, the only downside is the lack of on board toilets but it's about the same distance from London as Reading is. I'm not sure about SE Metro services being transferred to LO, with very little spare capacity there isn't much chance of any additional services. I’m a bit wary of TfL going too far beyond its boundaries, it’s gotten as far as Reading now which is fair enough, but before you know it places like Brighton, Cambridge, Medway Towns, and Bedford will be Under the TfL banner, had CrossRail not become part of TfL and came about in the way Network South East intended it to be: an East West version of Thameslink then I’d be in favour of it. CrossRail is better off serving Ebbsfleet then onto Gravesend, as it gives SE London access to the Eurostar with going into Zone One and also Highspeed services too, leave Medway with SE
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Post by kenmet on Dec 21, 2019 22:29:00 GMT
Crossrail would be much quicker into Central London to and from the Medway Towns, the only downside is the lack of on board toilets but it's about the same distance from London as Reading is. I'm not sure about SE Metro services being transferred to LO, with very little spare capacity there isn't much chance of any additional services. I’m a bit wary of TfL going too far beyond its boundaries, it’s gotten as far as Reading now which is fair enough, but before you know it places like Brighton, Cambridge, Medway Towns, and Bedford will be Under the TfL banner, had CrossRail not become part of TfL and came about in the way Network South East intended it to be: an East West version of Thameslink then I’d be in favour of it. CrossRail is better off serving Ebbsfleet then onto Gravesend, as it gives SE London access to the Eurostar with going into Zone One and also Highspeed services too, leave Medway with SE Rainham is about the same distance from Central London as Reading but that's far enough or it'll end up Ramsgate to Bristol lol.
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Post by route53 on Dec 22, 2019 13:32:43 GMT
Peak hour services should be the following:
Sidcup, Grove Park and Hayes lines run into Victoria
Greenwich, Woolwich and Bexleyheath lines run into Cannon Street
Leaving mainline services to run into Charing Cross
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 22, 2019 17:20:15 GMT
Peak hour services should be the following: Sidcup, Grove Park and Hayes lines run into Victoria Greenwich, Woolwich and Bexleyheath lines run into Cannon Street Leaving mainline services to run into Charing Cross Where do you envisage the interchanges as being? Lewisham for example would need to be very substantially remodelled to cope with the numbers of passengers from the Hayes, Sidcup and Grove Park lines that previously had through trains to Cannon Street and Charing Cross but now find themselves obliged to change - twice if they are going to Waterloo East and Charing Cross.
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Post by route53 on Feb 19, 2020 21:48:25 GMT
So I’m light of the recent service patterns due to the Bexleyheath line closures, I have a few ideas of my own:
Charing Cross to Gravesend via Lewisham and Woolwich Arsenal, semi fast, after London Bridge calls only at Lewisham, Blackheath, Woolwich Arsenal, Abbey Wood then all stations to Gravesend, or Cannon Street to Gravesend via Greenwich, calling only at Greenwich then the same stopping patterns as the Lewisham service, this gives Belvedere and Erith the service they demand plus a faster service into town
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 20, 2020 11:59:11 GMT
Peak hour services should be the following: Sidcup, Grove Park and Hayes lines run into Victoria Greenwich, Woolwich and Bexleyheath lines run into Cannon Street Leaving mainline services to run into Charing Cross Where do you envisage the interchanges as being? Lewisham for example would need to be very substantially remodelled to cope with the numbers of passengers from the Hayes, Sidcup and Grove Park lines that previously had through trains to Cannon Street and Charing Cross but now find themselves obliged to change - twice if they are going to Waterloo East and Charing Cross. Just seen this. Your idea, route53, is totally unworkable. I do think a streamlining of destinations from different stations is desirable, but this is totally the wrong way to go about it. I think the Vics should be platform 1/2 at Lewisham lines, which would remove one of the big crossover issues, with an extra x 2 to either Charing Cross or Cannon Street via Bexleyheath, otherwise leave well alone, at least until the Bakerloo makes it to Lewisham.
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Post by M1104 on Feb 20, 2020 13:53:47 GMT
Limited stop service between Hammersmith and Thorpe Park Resort.
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Post by rif153 on Mar 8, 2020 21:25:11 GMT
This is an idea I've had for years, but I can't believe its taken me this long to post it. Please note that this thread has the adjective fantasy in its title so this idea is not a serious proposition, just some wishful thinking.
Assuming that a station at Hythe Road is built on the WLL for Overground services (and potentially Southern ones too depending on what the final station looks like) is built, then I'd like the track layout in the area to be altered. I'd like to see an alteration that would allow trains to branch off the WLL and on to the Watford DC Line so that the Overground could have a stopping service from Watford Junction to Clapham Junction which I think provides great opportunity for connectivity. I am well aware that there are of course Southern services but these call at limited stops along the Watford DC line calling at only Wembley Central, Harrow & Wealdstone, Bushey, and Watford Junction. This idea would benefit the Old Oak and Park Royal opportunity area broadening connections available and ensuring that there are direct trains from Hythe Road which will firmly lie within the development area to key stations along the West Coast Mainline. Southern calling at the station at Hythe Road also provides the opportunity for longer distance North-South services at Old Oak Common as well. As a timetable, I'd divert the 2tph currently terminating at Willesden Junction via the Watford DC Line to Watford Junction.
I know this idea has plenty of flaws. First of all, from the developer I know who's working on the project the business case for the Hythe Road station is struggling. Second of all, the proposed changes I want to create a link from the Watford DC Line to the West London Line are far too expensive to ever possibly be feasible as trains would have to cross the West Coast Mainline - most likely through an underpass. Third of all there's the question of if 2tph from Clapham Junction to Watford Junction and 2tph from Clapham Junction to Stratford can result in even 15min intervals down the WLL. As I keep stressing, this is not a proposal which contains an iota of realise, merely a pipedream fantasy so please don't take it too seriously, and I should add, that this thread serves as a thread for fantasy and only fantasies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 8:18:56 GMT
In an ideal world there would be a spur from Wimbledon Chase onto the South West mainline towards Raynes Park. This would then allow maybe a one an hour Thameslink via Kingston to either Richmond or Shepperton. Admittedly becuase of the way the South West mainline is designed with the long distance services on the middle two lines this would take some major coordination for trains from Kingston crossing all four lines so it would defintely remain a fantasy.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Mar 9, 2020 19:30:08 GMT
Reinstate the island platform at Forest Hill and have 2tph Thameslink stoppers from Gatwick call at Forest Hill and New Cross Gate in addition to Norwood Junction to relieve the Overground and Southern stoppers to London Bridge, this would also reinstate an all day service to East Croydon from those two stations.
HS1 extended from Ashford to Eastbourne via Hastings replacing the current Southern diesel service by electrifying the line from Ashford to Ore, except for Ashford to Rye peak extras.
Extend the Southeastern stoppers to Tunbridge Wells to Hastings.
As for the Southeastern/TfL issue, I don't see Medway being an issue as the stoppers transferred to Thameslink, which would leave LO running services as far as Gravesend and Sevenoaks.
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Post by greenboy on Mar 9, 2020 19:48:51 GMT
Reinstate the island platform at Forest Hill and have 2tph Thameslink stoppers from Gatwick call at Forest Hill and New Cross Gate in addition to Norwood Junction to relieve the Overground and Southern stoppers to London Bridge, this would also reinstate an all day service to East Croydon from those two stations. HS1 extended from Ashford to Eastbourne via Hastings replacing the current Southern diesel service by electrifying the line from Ashford to Ore, except for Ashford to Rye peak extras. Extend the Southeastern stoppers to Tunbridge Wells to Hastings. As for the Southeastern/TfL issue, I don't see Medway being an issue as the stoppers transferred to Thameslink, which would leave LO running services as far as Gravesend and Sevenoaks. I don't think there is any chance of the island platform at Forest Hill being reinstated. HS1 to Hastings has been mooted although current services continue beyond Ashford towards Canterbury and Folkestone. Would there be any justification in extending Tunbridge Wells terminaters to Hastings?
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