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Post by vjaska on Apr 24, 2020 16:42:45 GMT
The report in your previous post isn’t linked? I'm using my phone as because I'm currently at Brent Cross getting ready for my 112 shift, just finding out the news, so I can't use my laptop cause I'm not at home No worries & thanks kmkchengVery surprised that there has been little mention of the reliability of the service in the report which the North Circular causes with the heavy amount of congestion but not surprised that one of the most asked things is an increase in the frequency or a double deck conversion as it gets seriously overcrowded. Also interesting is many people are against the withdrawal of the 611.
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Post by COBO on Apr 24, 2020 19:53:37 GMT
I hope that this extension lead the 112 to getting dds.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 25, 2020 12:22:10 GMT
On page 34, there is a suggestion that route 112 could be double-decked, by swapping vehicles with route 292 . Maybe the new tender will specify double-decks?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 25, 2020 12:35:53 GMT
On page 34, there is a suggestion that route 112 could be double-decked, by swapping vehicles with route 292 . Maybe the new tender will specify double-decks? The response from the Potters Bar and St Albans Bus User Group seems to be more like an enthusiast wish list than realistic suggestions sadly. For a start once the Madeley Road rerouting goes ahead, the map in the consultation for the North Finchley extension suggests it will then double deckers will have na extremely difficult time negotiating those tress. They are incredibly low. The suggestion about the 112 potentially meeting up with the 337 is just hilarious. That realistically cannot happen with the current traffic levels.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 25, 2020 12:58:28 GMT
On page 34, there is a suggestion that route 112 could be double-decked, by swapping vehicles with route 292 . Maybe the new tender will specify double-decks? The response from the Potters Bar and St Albans Bus User Group seems to be more like an enthusiast wish list than realistic suggestions sadly. For a start once the Madeley Road rerouting goes ahead, the map in the consultation for the North Finchley extension suggests it will then double deckers will have na extremely difficult time negotiating those tress. They are incredibly low. The suggestion about the 112 potentially meeting up with the 337 is just hilarious. That realistically cannot happen with the current traffic levels. Its a huge shame the 112 won't get double deckers yet the route so badly needs them, at least at the moment the route does see them at times which is better than not at all but you're right to raise the point about low trees on Madeley Road, the residents were opposed to the route at all so I doubt they'd tolerate double deckers. I think that double deckers during school times would be a good idea though now the 611 is being withdrawn but the issue would be that double deckers would have to go via the Uxbridge Road to reach Ealing Broadway which isn't ideal. The proposal of extending either the 46 or 168 to North Finchley is also laughable, either would make the route far too long.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 25, 2020 13:21:15 GMT
The response from the Potters Bar and St Albans Bus User Group seems to be more like an enthusiast wish list than realistic suggestions sadly. For a start once the Madeley Road rerouting goes ahead, the map in the consultation for the North Finchley extension suggests it will then double deckers will have na extremely difficult time negotiating those tress. They are incredibly low. The suggestion about the 112 potentially meeting up with the 337 is just hilarious. That realistically cannot happen with the current traffic levels. Its a huge shame the 112 won't get double deckers yet the route so badly needs them, at least at the moment the route does see them at times which is better than not at all but you're right to raise the point about low trees on Madeley Road, the residents were opposed to the route at all so I doubt they'd tolerate double deckers. I think that double deckers during school times would be a good idea though now the 611 is being withdrawn but the issue would be that double deckers would have to go via the Uxbridge Road to reach Ealing Broadway which isn't ideal. The proposal of extending either the 46 or 168 to North Finchley is also laughable, either would make the route far too long. Out of these 2 routes, route 168 would be a simple-ish extension. As route 46 goes so far south and west, I have no idea how it could even be extended to North Finchley.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 25, 2020 13:28:16 GMT
Its a huge shame the 112 won't get double deckers yet the route so badly needs them, at least at the moment the route does see them at times which is better than not at all but you're right to raise the point about low trees on Madeley Road, the residents were opposed to the route at all so I doubt they'd tolerate double deckers. I think that double deckers during school times would be a good idea though now the 611 is being withdrawn but the issue would be that double deckers would have to go via the Uxbridge Road to reach Ealing Broadway which isn't ideal. The proposal of extending either the 46 or 168 to North Finchley is also laughable, either would make the route far too long. Out of these 2 routes, route 168 would be a simple-ish extension. As route 46 goes so far south and west, I have no idea how it could even be extended to North Finchley. Precisely, when I saw that, I thought ''stretching'' the 46 out to North Finchley would make it even longer and more circuitous. I don't think extending the 168 to North Finchley would be a good idea as it does face a lot of Central London congestion so shouldn't be elongated which would make things even worse. Whoever responded to the consultation asking for a North Finchley-Hampstead Heath link clearly doesn't like changing from the 13/460 to the 268 at Golders Green!
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Post by evergreenadam on Apr 26, 2020 10:42:24 GMT
The response from the Potters Bar and St Albans Bus User Group seems to be more like an enthusiast wish list than realistic suggestions sadly. For a start once the Madeley Road rerouting goes ahead, the map in the consultation for the North Finchley extension suggests it will then double deckers will have na extremely difficult time negotiating those tress. They are incredibly low. The suggestion about the 112 potentially meeting up with the 337 is just hilarious. That realistically cannot happen with the current traffic levels. Its a huge shame the 112 won't get double deckers yet the route so badly needs them, at least at the moment the route does see them at times which is better than not at all but you're right to raise the point about low trees on Madeley Road, the residents were opposed to the route at all so I doubt they'd tolerate double deckers. I think that double deckers during school times would be a good idea though now the 611 is being withdrawn but the issue would be that double deckers would have to go via the Uxbridge Road to reach Ealing Broadway which isn't ideal. The proposal of extending either the 46 or 168 to North Finchley is also laughable, either would make the route far too long. It remains to be seen what the long term fallout from Covid 19 will be. Social distancing measures will be impossible on very busy single deck routes and double deckers will be required to provide sufficient space, even if loadings don’t immediately return to normal. LOTS website reports that some single deck routes have already been converted to double deckers.
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 26, 2020 23:14:42 GMT
Out of these 2 routes, route 168 would be a simple-ish extension. As route 46 goes so far south and west, I have no idea how it could even be extended to North Finchley. Precisely, when I saw that, I thought ''stretching'' the 46 out to North Finchley would make it even longer and more circuitous. I don't think extending the 168 to North Finchley would be a good idea as it does face a lot of Central London congestion so shouldn't be elongated which would make things even worse. Whoever responded to the consultation asking for a North Finchley-Hampstead Heath link clearly doesn't like changing from the 13/460 to the 268 at Golders Green! Previously made a suggestion that could provide such as link from the Finchley area to Royal Free Hospital: Curtail route 13 to Golders Green, to improve reliability. Then introduce a new route '82', from North Finchley to Baker Street, via the 13/460 to Golders Green, then the 268 to Hampstead Station, 46 to Swiss Cottage and the 13/113 to Baker Street, providing new links across Hampstead. I would also cut back the 113, again for reliability, with the 82 covering this capacity towards Baker Street. The 113 could possibly terminate at the stand near Finchley Road Station on the C11 line of route, or wherever the 603 previously used to stand near Swiss Cottage when it was a more frequent route.
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Post by routew15 on Apr 27, 2020 7:20:32 GMT
Would it be possible for the 112 to use full size SDs with the revised routings at either end?
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Post by jrussa on Apr 28, 2020 23:37:16 GMT
Would it be possible for the 112 to use full size SDs with the revised routings at either end? The 108 or 358 Mercedes buses would be ideal for route 112 if not double decked.
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Post by LondonNorthern on May 6, 2020 21:28:39 GMT
I Think that TFL is Becoming out of control now it the Wrong Route Extend because of the traffic in rush hour a better route is the 324 where it go on a lot back routes but first withdrawn between Brent Cross Tesco and Brent Cross Shopping Centre then extend the 143 or 326 to Brent Cross Tesco Very late but I totally agree with the 143 extended to the Tesco
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Post by aaron1 on May 7, 2020 10:45:32 GMT
I look at the consultation report and of the Suggestion is to Extend the 189 to North Finchley but that may copy the 460 from Cricklewood
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Post by LondonNorthern on May 7, 2020 15:10:53 GMT
I look at the consultation report and of the Suggestion is to Extend the 189 to North Finchley but that may copy the 460 from Cricklewood Interesting view but the way they are currently thinking to send it via the North Circular Because of its significance further into London - it would mean that if a fight broke out on the 189 from some school kids (I've had family in the Finchley Area and ik that children there can be quite violent) you would eventually lose time and this would completely mess up the route into areas like Marylebone & Marble Arch. The North circular also is very unreliable hence why the 112 & 232 are quite unreliable and even then Regents Park Road is quite busy in the peaks. However I do support the idea of the 143/326 going to the Tesco - would be quite helpful if another store was added in place of Toys R Us which sadly ain't here with us
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Post by foxhat on May 7, 2020 15:22:10 GMT
The 112 will not be able to use DDs once the Madeley Road diversion has been implemented.
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