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Post by 6HP502C on Oct 14, 2019 20:50:26 GMT
The 176. Diabolically slow due to excessive padding seemingly all day. Even after midnight you seem them sitting at bus stops with their hazards on. Thankfully there are alternatives on the bits of it I use.
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Post by LK65EBO on Oct 16, 2019 5:56:40 GMT
Any route that goes through Feltham apart from the
116 due to the busy Harlington Road West/East.
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Post by Pilot on Oct 16, 2019 21:13:49 GMT
136 from Elephant to Lewisham, probably takes longer than a flight from City Airport to Amsterdam because 20-25 mins too much time given to drivers (which sometimes is a good thing), but if you ask anyone they'll avoid 136 at all costs lol.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 17, 2019 10:03:08 GMT
355 unless it's a decker. In any case I don't really use it anyway unless I missed the 118 at Brixton and the 355 is about (and not too crowded) for me to get back to Mitcham
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Post by BK15AZR on Oct 17, 2019 13:24:59 GMT
I find they are very slow, even late at night, if the driver has a EH you know its 'show time' with a WVL they are slow party poopers. You must have been unlucky because I've had many good WVL rides across different routes in London and a good one just treats hills as a straight road Until recently moving back to London I'd spent years in Hong Kong, where I regularly took the Volvo B9TLs and ADL Enviro 500MMCs which dominated the roads there. I found that those with ZF gearboxes could differ quite a lot in performance if the Ecolife tuning was applied...those with Ecolife were usually rather sluggish and it changed gears at low RPM, which also hinders the engine to perform to its best I'd say. I know it's all about fuel saving and reduced emission but the low engine sound just made me sleep, while the speed could drop quite abruptly when going up hills. I'm now a regular user of the WVLs on the D7 - most of them are quite good but a few of them feel like those with Ecolife tuning as well! It also very much depends how the drivers are doing with them...if they're just holding the pedal it'll just stay at low RPM all the time and makes another dreadful experience. |
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Post by rif153 on Oct 17, 2019 21:07:34 GMT
136 from Elephant to Lewisham, probably takes longer than a flight from City Airport to Amsterdam because 20-25 mins too much time given to drivers (which sometimes is a good thing), but if you ask anyone they'll avoid 136 at all costs lol. I think a link from Elephant to Lewisham which just went straight down Old Kent Road to New Cross and then down Lewisham way would be faster and a lot more attractive than the 136. However, if the long talked about Bakerloo line extension ever happens, then that'll make travelling between the two so much easier. |
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Post by busaholic on Oct 17, 2019 21:21:14 GMT
136 from Elephant to Lewisham, probably takes longer than a flight from City Airport to Amsterdam because 20-25 mins too much time given to drivers (which sometimes is a good thing), but if you ask anyone they'll avoid 136 at all costs lol. I think a link from Elephant to Lewisham which just went straight down Old Kent Road to New Cross and then down Lewisham way would be faster and a lot more attractive than the 136. However, if the long talked about Bakerloo line extension ever happens, then that'll make travelling between the two so much easier. That routeing only ever existed with night bus 285, later the N85, which itself was derived from night tram 5. I had cause to use it a few times for work reasons and it was very well used to Lewisham and beyond: most buses terminated at Downham Way, Bromley Road. |
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Post by Pilot on Oct 18, 2019 1:09:36 GMT
I think a link from Elephant to Lewisham which just went straight down Old Kent Road to New Cross and then down Lewisham way would be faster and a lot more attractive than the 136. However, if the long talked about Bakerloo line extension ever happens, then that'll make travelling between the two so much easier. That routeing only ever existed with night bus 285, later the N85, which itself was derived from night tram 5. I had cause to use it a few times for work reasons and it was very well used to Lewisham and beyond: most buses terminated at Downham Way, Bromley Road. Maybe 136 will just revert to Peckham like it used to be, that's according to most drivers when route was at its best. But probably won't be the case, with 343's being busy as is from EL to Peckham. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Nov 2, 2019 3:21:06 GMT
185 towards Lewisham. Too long winded.
P4 always busy, intolerable when schools finish.
P13 - Long winded. Quicker to get two buses to New Cross or Peckham. Last choice for local trips in Dulwich.
197 to and from Croydon. The Overground off-peak takes 20 mins from Forest Hill to West Croydon for the same fare. Nearly an hour on the bus as the route weaves its way down through Sydenham, Penge, Anerley, South Norwood and the back of Addiscombe to get there.
Have to share The Urbanite's views about the 176. It's now too slow to go into Central London or even the Elephant. I only really use it for local journeys between Camberwell and Penge. Only viable to use the 185 which itself has become slower or the London Overground from Forest Hill or Denmark Hill.
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 2, 2019 7:58:59 GMT
192 - too overcrowded, not sure if that will change from next week with new operator.
Anything in Central London - it's quicker to walk - especially in the City
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Post by Pilot on Nov 2, 2019 9:03:55 GMT
185 towards Lewisham. Too long winded. P4 always busy, intolerable when schools finish. P13 - Long winded. Quicker to get two buses to New Cross or Peckham. Last choice for local trips in Dulwich. 197 to and from Croydon. The Overground off-peak takes 20 mins from Forest Hill to West Croydon for the same fare. Nearly an hour on the bus as the route weaves its way down through Sydenham, Penge, Anerley, South Norwood and the back of Addiscombe to get there. Have to share The Urbanite's views about the 176. It's now too slow to go into Central London or even the Elephant. I only really use it for local journeys between Camberwell and Penge. Only viable to use the 185 which itself has become slower or the London Overground from Forest Hill or Denmark Hill. Yah the 185 I'd be on a watchout of it having consultation soon to be shortened, I'd probably say Catford but it's kinda busy and lack of stand...(in all honesty even 171 could easily be Catford as well, it basically goes dead to Bellingham anyways). But at least 185 is always busy so it makes money for TFL so who knows maybe they'll keep it as is. |
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Post by britishguy54 on Dec 30, 2019 13:05:35 GMT
5: Too overcrowded the whole route, I just use an EL2 to Becontree Heath and change for any other route (103, 128, 175, 499)
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Post by M1104 on Dec 30, 2019 13:44:04 GMT
For me it will be the 270 at night once it gets ISA equipped buses from May, unless there's no other bus between Mitcham and Tooting.
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Post by LT 20181 on Dec 30, 2019 16:33:12 GMT
In Harrow - I try to avoid the 114 & 140 because of how busy and packed they can get, same for the H10 and sometimes the 395 too.
In Uxbridge - the 427 & U4 are the ones I tend to avoid for similar reasons.
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Post by VWH1414 on Dec 30, 2019 17:30:16 GMT
In Harrow - I try to avoid the 114 & 140 because of how busy and packed they can get, same for the H10 and sometimes the 395 too. In Uxbridge - the 427 & U4 are the ones I tend to avoid for similar reasons. Would have to agree with the 114 when it gets towards the Harrow end - I usually get on at Mill Hill Broadway where it is quieter and then as it goes on through Burnt Oak, Queensbury, Kenton etc it slowly builds up a lot of passengers - Definitely an increase over the years too - Much like the similarly long 221 route. I'd say the 114 is one of the routes in London seeing an increase rather then decline. But luckily with the 114 I get on at the quieter end - and also it is the best way to get to Harrow efficiently from Mill Hill Broadway (Along with 186 - but that means you have to go all the way into Edgware etc). Routes I avoid are: 32 - During peak times this route can be too crowded along the Edgware Road, off peak it can be alright though, so I avoid it at peak times more then non peak. 142 - Another route that can get very busy and unbearable, especially during peak times, hits a lot of traffic hotspots too. 221 - During peak if I ever have to use the route I tend to try and avoid it as much as possible, as it runs past several schools and not only that is just very busy in general. At points in off peak it can be ok though. 251 - Very busy and needs DDs, but of course can't accommodate them because of its routing. Also not a big fan at all of the awful DEs on the route with the cramped leg space etc. |
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