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Post by redexpress on Oct 27, 2019 10:29:36 GMT
I think Kingston could do with some qualifiers on the blinds and iBus, I can think of 4 different termini there where the blinds and iBus just display Kingston for each one 65 now says Kingston,brook street Good - a qualifier is particularly important for the 65 given that buses can and do curtail at Cromwell Road. |
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Post by george on Oct 27, 2019 10:34:53 GMT
65 now says Kingston,brook street Good - a qualifier is particularly important for the 65 given that buses can and do curtail at Cromwell Road. but as rif153 mentioned it only says it on the Ibus so there's no way of knowing if it's going to Brook street or Cromwell Road if you're looking at the blinds. |
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Post by snowman on Oct 27, 2019 11:38:07 GMT
Good - a qualifier is particularly important for the 65 given that buses can and do curtail at Cromwell Road. but as rif153 mentioned it only says it on the Ibus so there's no way of knowing if it's going to Brook street or Cromwell Road if you're looking at the blinds. Actually the short workings to Cromwell Road on 65 have a qualifier, but you have to assume a blind without a qualifier is the full route. But if you were not local probably wouldn’t know this subtle difference. It’s so subtle that other routes go to Kingston Cromwell Road showing Kingston (no qualifier) There are actually some weird blinds rarely used, last week I saw a MMC on 371 leaving first stop in Kingston Hall Road blinded for Kingston London Road (a rather pointless journey of half a mile) |
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Post by george on Oct 27, 2019 11:46:44 GMT
but as rif153 mentioned it only says it on the Ibus so there's no way of knowing if it's going to Brook street or Cromwell Road if you're looking at the blinds. Actually the short workings to Cromwell Road on 65 have a qualifier, but you have to assume a blind without a qualifier is the full route. But if you were not local probably wouldn’t know this subtle difference. It’s so subtle that other routes go to Kingston Cromwell Road showing Kingston (no qualifier) There are actually some weird blinds rarely used, last week I saw a MMC on 371 leaving first stop in Kingston Hall Road blinded for Kingston London Road (a rather pointless journey of half a mile) oh yes forgot that there is a qualifier for Cromwell Road |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 27, 2019 12:30:39 GMT
I think Kingston could do with some qualifiers on the blinds and iBus, I can think of 4 different termini there where the blinds and iBus just display Kingston for each one I’m thinking Cromwell Road Bus Station, Fairfield Bus Station, Brook Street & Kingston Hall Road. I think there may be a 5th which would be classed as Kingston, Wood Street? |
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Post by snowman on Oct 27, 2019 13:31:21 GMT
I think Kingston could do with some qualifiers on the blinds and iBus, I can think of 4 different termini there where the blinds and iBus just display Kingston for each one I’m thinking Cromwell Road Bus Station, Fairfield Bus Station, Brook Street & Kingston Hall Road. I think there may be a 5th which would be classed as Kingston, Wood Street? Buses using Kingston Hall Road stand have last stop as Kingston High Street Wood Street is not a normal end point (but has been used during roadworks), normal turn is Hampton Wick Kingston London Road exists (used by short workings to Birkenhead Avenue stands) Used to be Kingston, Sury Basin (now disused, but still in existence) Kingston College Roundabout is used during disruption Kingston Tiffin school is occasionally used as last stop (buses skipping Fairfield and going straight back into service at Cromwell Road by turning right onto Clarence Street Kingston Richmond Road (which isn’t on blinds) is used during the annual Ride London |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Oct 27, 2019 14:30:43 GMT
Barking Garage is nowhere near London Road  I imagine you mean Longbridge Road I think the issue TfL probably have with the Barking Garage qualifier is the fact there are three garages in Barking. The 62 effectively passes DX as well while the EL3 passes RR so could cause confusion on those two routes. The issue here is that as you said nobody will know where Faircross is unless they're a local. I think "Barking, Faircross" would be the best compromise. Apologies, I indeed meant Longbridge Road - couldn't Barking Garage, Longbridge Road suffice as then it's narrowed down to one particular spot? Many (many) years ago the Ensign blind for the 62 and 145 was "Barking/ Faircross" |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 9:12:30 GMT
Why is there only one blind for Woolwich? There should be one for 'Woolwich Arsenal Station' (51, 99 & 386) and one for 'Woolwich, Town Centre' (96 & 178).
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 28, 2019 9:22:13 GMT
Why is there only one blind for Woolwich? There should be one for 'Woolwich Arsenal Station' (51, 99 & 386) and one for 'Woolwich, Town Centre' (96 & 178). 1) Because if Woolwich is the regular terminus for the route a qualifier isn't usually necessary (and yes I know 90% of forum users will disagree with me on this). 2) It eliminates the possibility of the wrong qualifier being shown. 3) If the terminal point changes temporarily or permanently new blinds/inserts are not needed. Same arguments for Kingston. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 13:20:31 GMT
Why is there only one blind for Woolwich? There should be one for 'Woolwich Arsenal Station' (51, 99 & 386) and one for 'Woolwich, Town Centre' (96 & 178). 1) Because if Woolwich is the regular terminus for the route a qualifier isn't usually necessary (and yes I know 90% of forum users will disagree with me on this). 2) It eliminates the possibility of the wrong qualifier being shown. 3) If the terminal point changes temporarily or permanently new blinds/inserts are not needed. Same arguments for Kingston. Why have different qualifiers for other areas with different terminus points then? It wouldn't bother me so much if there a was a bit of consistency. |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 28, 2019 15:02:52 GMT
1) Because if Woolwich is the regular terminus for the route a qualifier isn't usually necessary (and yes I know 90% of forum users will disagree with me on this). 2) It eliminates the possibility of the wrong qualifier being shown. 3) If the terminal point changes temporarily or permanently new blinds/inserts are not needed. Same arguments for Kingston. Why have different qualifiers for other areas with different terminus points then? It wouldn't bother me so much if there a was a bit of consistency. But there has never been consistency. In the 1960s and 1970s, whilst red buses terminating in Romford had qualifiers, the green RTs and Routemasters on London Country merely displayed ROMFORD, although the terminus could have been located anywhere in a large area ("Romford" qualifiers also included North Street Garage and the nearby Parkside Hotel). A plain "Enfield" may seem like a modern shortening, but it was standard on trolleybuses and motorbuses for many years, "Enfield Town" was a relatively recent phenomenon and a "Little Park Gardens" qualifier even more so. Things like qualifiers seemingly come in and out of favour, the recent trend has been to remove them where not absolutely necessary, to keep displays as simple and easy to read as possible, although qualifiers do seem to be finding some favour once again. And don't forget that blinds are only changed when absolutely necessary, so you will have buses displaying new blinds with the latest formatting, alongside buses displaying formats that were in vogue one to five years (or more) ago. |
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Post by ServerKing on Oct 28, 2019 16:30:29 GMT
Why have different qualifiers for other areas with different terminus points then? It wouldn't bother me so much if there a was a bit of consistency. But there has never been consistency. In the 1960s and 1970s, whilst red buses terminating in Romford had qualifiers, the green RTs and Routemasters on London Country merely displayed ROMFORD, although the terminus could have been located anywhere in a large area ("Romford" qualifiers also included North Street Garage and the nearby Parkside Hotel). A plain "Enfield" may seem like a modern shortening, but it was standard on trolleybuses and motorbuses for many years, "Enfield Town" was a relatively recent phenomenon and a "Little Park Gardens" qualifier even more so. Things like qualifiers seemingly come in and out of favour, the recent trend has been to remove them where not absolutely necessary, to keep displays as simple and easy to read as possible, although qualifiers do seem to be finding some favour once again. And don't forget that blinds are only changed when absolutely necessary, so you will have buses displaying new blinds with the latest formatting, alongside buses displaying formats that were in vogue one to five years (or more) ago. London Transport / TfL have always been in the past The thing is, with the blind insistence (pun intended) on the roller blinds despite the Hanover LED blind tech such as on TA1 (when it decides to run ), there's no space to be more descriptive, as a blind roll can only hold so much information. They could help themselves out in the case of where in an area the bus terminates. For instance, "Enfield" for the 329 and 192 could mention the Bus Station (Little Park Gardens), but the worst offender is "Waterloo" where buses terminate either at the station, County Hall or elsewhere nearby... to people unfamiliar with an area or route, it will put them off using a bus if a taxi can be more direct and drop you exactly where you need to be  Or they can be very obscure... EL3 terminates at Little Heath, for years I never knew exactly where that was (a rather small green slightly north of Goodmayes near the A12), so it's about remembering that not everyone is a local, as mentioned above... None of this helps people to embrace bus travel  |
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Post by busaholic on Oct 28, 2019 16:49:34 GMT
Why have different qualifiers for other areas with different terminus points then? It wouldn't bother me so much if there a was a bit of consistency. But there has never been consistency. In the 1960s and 1970s, whilst red buses terminating in Romford had qualifiers, the green RTs and Routemasters on London Country merely displayed ROMFORD, although the terminus could have been located anywhere in a large area ("Romford" qualifiers also included North Street Garage and the nearby Parkside Hotel). A plain "Enfield" may seem like a modern shortening, but it was standard on trolleybuses and motorbuses for many years, "Enfield Town" was a relatively recent phenomenon and a "Little Park Gardens" qualifier even more so. Things like qualifiers seemingly come in and out of favour, the recent trend has been to remove them where not absolutely necessary, to keep displays as simple and easy to read as possible, although qualifiers do seem to be finding some favour once again. And don't forget that blinds are only changed when absolutely necessary, so you will have buses displaying new blinds with the latest formatting, alongside buses displaying formats that were in vogue one to five years (or more) ago. Funnily enough, Kingston historically had few, if any, qualifiers on red or green buses, whereas Woolwich ALWAYS had a qualifier, not that there were any green buses there. Even the trolleybuses had a qualifier, which was very unusual, but then the 696 (predecessor of today's 96) also showed DARTFORD MKT ST at the other end. I suspect Woolwich's importance during the Second World War, and possibly the military's attitude towards precision, may have been a conscious or unconcious influence. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Oct 28, 2019 19:25:47 GMT
But there has never been consistency. In the 1960s and 1970s, whilst red buses terminating in Romford had qualifiers, the green RTs and Routemasters on London Country merely displayed ROMFORD, although the terminus could have been located anywhere in a large area ("Romford" qualifiers also included North Street Garage and the nearby Parkside Hotel). A plain "Enfield" may seem like a modern shortening, but it was standard on trolleybuses and motorbuses for many years, "Enfield Town" was a relatively recent phenomenon and a "Little Park Gardens" qualifier even more so. Things like qualifiers seemingly come in and out of favour, the recent trend has been to remove them where not absolutely necessary, to keep displays as simple and easy to read as possible, although qualifiers do seem to be finding some favour once again. And don't forget that blinds are only changed when absolutely necessary, so you will have buses displaying new blinds with the latest formatting, alongside buses displaying formats that were in vogue one to five years (or more) ago. London Transport / TfL have always been in the past The thing is, with the blind insistence (pun intended) on the roller blinds despite the Hanover LED blind tech such as on TA1 (when it decides to run ), there's no space to be more descriptive, as a blind roll can only hold so much information. They could help themselves out in the case of where in an area the bus terminates. For instance, "Enfield" for the 329 and 192 could mention the Bus Station (Little Park Gardens), but the worst offender is "Waterloo" where buses terminate either at the station, County Hall or elsewhere nearby... to people unfamiliar with an area or route, it will put them off using a bus if a taxi can be more direct and drop you exactly where you need to be Or they can be very obscure... EL3 terminates at Little Heath, for years I never knew exactly where that was (a rather small green slightly north of Goodmayes near the A12), so it's about remembering that not everyone is a local, as mentioned above... None of this helps people to embrace bus travel Little Heath has been used for years, even back to when the 238 went up there (extended on to Chadwell Heath Hospital at the weekend.) There's plenty of examples across the country, for example Lothian running buses to "The Jewel," "King's Buildings" or the fantastically named "Tron" |
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Post by cl54 on Nov 6, 2019 16:31:27 GMT
You have to wonder why money was wasted changing the 53's blinds from Lambeth North to County Hall.
Passengers are not carried to County Hall and the empty buses only run round the roundabout.
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I imagine you mean Longbridge Road
