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Post by ThinLizzy on Oct 31, 2019 17:24:07 GMT
I agree, this blue barman moquette looks really tacky on the Central Line, I preferred the old red moquette, hoping they go for a red barman moquette. Would have been nice if the Jubilee Line got its own shade all round as just having the priority seat in the silver barman looks quite odd. Hoping this refurb is better than the previous refurb, the last refurb these trains had didn't really feel like a refurb but rather a quick moquette change that doesn't suit the train and a freshen up. The Bakerloo or Piccadilly versions of the Barman moquette could work well for the Central Line interior. Also, I'm guessing the W&C Line's 1992 are unaffected by this refurbishment? I think the W&Cs were refurbished a few years ago
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 1, 2019 18:21:49 GMT
Ah, very good that if this petition doesn't stop them from being refurbished, the change isn't going to be permanent and will last until Summer 2020, I'd much rather have disruption for that short period of time than have the Central Line continue to be worn down and more faults occurring, a good refurbishment and mechanical work would really do the Central Line good especially as it will not be receiving new trains for at least another 8 years. I think the 92 stock should go till 2040 at least, they are good honest trains, lol
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 1, 2019 18:25:19 GMT
I know the Jubilee and Northern Line are different but amazing how many different sets of seats(Especially the Jubilee) / refreshes these trains have had compared to the Central line. A shame there are no older trains stocks that could be used on the Woodford Hainualt shuttle. Wouldn't work now anyway because of the signalling system. They should have kept some 67 stock as the 92 stock Central line operated a similar system. Or convert the Waterloo & City to 67 stock, then put the 92 stock from W&C on the Central line. The first train westbound in the morning is usually sardine packed tight. I also think they really need to look at having the first train start much earlier like the TfL rail.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 1, 2019 18:26:51 GMT
The 1992s are so due a refurb, the tatty old things. Hopefully we can get over the tiring obsession they have with the Barman moquette (or go for a red based barman look... AT LEAST). Earlier peaks are starting to get a lot busier (the Vic was hell this morning), so it’s good to have an increase then. Though I do feel Epping loses out we have to make the best of resources as much as possible while the trains go to refurb... and at the risk of being called a moron by people at DistrictDave’s forum 😂 The Vic is getting a new timetable starting Monday 4th, with the 36tph running for 3 hours in the morning and evening peaks. It can't be unfair that stations in Essex get penalised slightly by these changes, given the state of TfL's finances. Compared to many places just outside the London area they have a marvellously frequent service, into the heart of the City and West End to boot. Well what about TfL rail, that goes in Essex County Council and Buckinghamshire on the next end, should it also be reduced.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 1, 2019 18:29:11 GMT
The Bakerloo or Piccadilly versions of the Barman moquette could work well for the Central Line interior. Also, I'm guessing the W&C Line's 1992 are unaffected by this refurbishment? Interestingly I've found some 73 stock's actually feature the blue barman moquette. The 73 stock that now has this moquette is horrible. It looks nice in the train and that is it. Those very deep springy cushions have been relegated and seem to be tough steel underneath, no foam, no spring or no give. I guess this backwardsness is the future of rail travel in London. eg (Crossrail, London Overground)
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 10, 2019 20:41:05 GMT
I can see the Hainault loop permanently retaining the shorter trains due to the low loadings on the section plus the fact a few peak workings will retain direct services anyways where the majority of useage on the line comes from.
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Post by E279 on Nov 10, 2019 20:45:46 GMT
I can see the Hainault loop permanently retaining the shorter trains due to the low loadings on the section plus the fact a few peak workings will retain direct services anyways where the majority of useage on the line comes from. I thought that services that went from Woodford - Hainault changed at Hainault and become a White City/Ealing Broadway service, most of the time I am on the Central Line, when it reached Hainault it will state 'This is a Central Line train to Ealing Broadway' or will run as an Ealing Broadway service from W.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 10, 2019 20:50:22 GMT
They leave Woodford displaying Hainault then when they arrive at Hainault they change to saying Ealing Broadway. I guess it saves confusion at Woodford with passengers wanting Central London. From next year you will have to get off the shorter trains Hainault.
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Post by E279 on Nov 10, 2019 20:55:26 GMT
They leave Woodford displaying Hainault then when they arrive at Hainault they change to saying Ealing Broadway. I guess it saves confusion at Woodford with passengers wanting Central London. From next year you will have to get off the shorter trains Hainault. Sometimes the drivers do not even bother displaying Hainault from Woodford nor do they put on the Hainault announcement sometimes and simply display 'This is a Central Line train to Ealing Broadway' however it isn't too bad from Woodford as the majority of services heading into Central London from Woodford are West R / North Acton bound trains as the Ealing Broadway/White City trains are normally from Hainault & Newbury Park.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 10, 2019 20:58:20 GMT
The platform indicators always show Hainault which is what matters.
Whenever I go to Chigwell I do tend to head to Woodford and change if the next train due is a Woodford one and it's an easy change of waiting at the same platform whilst normally a train is waiting for the emptied train to clear the platform.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 25, 2020 17:28:47 GMT
Last day for through trains to Roding Valley, Chigwell and Grange Hill for atleast a few years. I wonder if at weekends when more trains are spare there will be through trains and the 4 car trains just used when all the fleet are needed?
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Post by Trident on Jan 25, 2020 18:35:35 GMT
Last day for through trains to Roding Valley, Chigwell and Grange Hill for atleast a few years. I wonder if at weekends when more trains are spare there will be through trains and the 4 car trains just used when all the fleet are needed? The shuttles will be formed of normal 8 car trains as I understand there have been issues with 4 car trains while they were tested out of hours. There will only be one train per day, leaving Ealing Broadway and going to Woodford via Hainault which replaces an early finishing shuttle train according to WTT70. The PVR doesn’t drop by much on weekends compared to the weekday.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 30, 2020 22:55:12 GMT
If they are using 8 car trains then why has the plans still gone ahead? I thought the reason for the shuttle was so that an 8 car train became 2 trains and 1 full train was freed up for use elsewhere/refurbishment.
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Post by Green Kitten on Jan 31, 2020 18:32:44 GMT
If they are using 8 car trains then why has the plans still gone ahead? I thought the reason for the shuttle was so that an 8 car train became 2 trains and 1 full train was freed up for use elsewhere/refurbishment. Impossible to change the duty sheets in time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 19:41:16 GMT
My usual early start means catching a Central Line train towards Central London from Stratford at 6am. It has been so much better. No more 8 minute wait for a rammed train.
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