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Post by rml1969 on Nov 25, 2019 2:32:43 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Nov 25, 2019 11:23:08 GMT
That’s what they’d have you believe - the LT’s probably have roughly 10 years left and yet, I can’t see driverless technology being a thing at that point as there seems to be way too many hurdles to cross.
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Post by Pilot on Nov 25, 2019 11:31:26 GMT
The only place driver-less buses won't be in is central London, not in the next 10 years lol.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 12:13:22 GMT
The article is nearly 2 years old. In 10 or 12 years time there will probably still be diesel buses running in the outer parts of London let alone driverless buses anywhere.
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Post by M1104 on Nov 25, 2019 12:16:57 GMT
The article is nearly 2 years old. In 10 or 12 years time there will probably still be diesel buses running in the outer parts of London let alone driver less buses anywhere. And probably still within Central London as well with the Smart hybrids, which are essentially diesel operated buses with extra electrical bits.
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Post by YY13VKP on Nov 25, 2019 12:46:50 GMT
That’s what they’d have you believe - the LT’s probably have roughly 10 years left and yet, I can’t see driverless technology being a thing at that point as there seems to be way too many hurdles to cross. Neither can I, for a start driverless vehicles are not even legalised yet and safety would be a serious concern, especially in Central London
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Post by Pilot on Nov 25, 2019 13:24:07 GMT
Driverless technology is getting good, but it's still sticks and stones version to what it needs to be before applied to London buses.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 25, 2019 13:29:06 GMT
Driverless technology is getting good, but it's still sticks and stones version to what it needs to be before applied to London buses. Not sure I’d describe it as glowingly as that myself.
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Post by rif153 on Dec 1, 2019 16:36:02 GMT
That’s what they’d have you believe - the LT’s probably have roughly 10 years left and yet, I can’t see driverless technology being a thing at that point as there seems to be way too many hurdles to cross. Neither can I, for a start driverless vehicles are not even legalised yet and safety would be a serious concern, especially in Central London I agree. TfL have shown little interest in driverless buses, and whilst I think they'll deploy them yet there are many hurdles for them to overcome before being taken on, testing, trials etc.
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 1, 2019 19:31:35 GMT
The only hope for them (or atleast an initial trial) would probably be on that Rapid Transport bus option proposed instead of a tram between Sutton and South Wimbledon which could possibly be built with its own Lane and a contraflow totally secluding it from other traffic.
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Post by rif153 on Dec 1, 2019 21:11:44 GMT
The only hope for them (or atleast an initial trial) would probably be on that Rapid Transport bus option proposed instead of a tram between Sutton and South Wimbledon which could possibly be built with its own Lane and a contraflow totally secluding it from other traffic. I think there's a good chance of it being a Rapid Transit like a BRT as people won't want tram cables put up, especially if the locals are as voiciferous in their oppositon to trams as those in Ealing. Given they're closer to the trams they may be more accepting of change but of course people locally opposed to the ''Croydonisation of Ealing,'' but I respect that the nature and demographics of Sutton are very different to that of Ealing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 21:15:31 GMT
I remember when at primary school (1980s) we were often talking about the year 2000 being the future when there would be flying cars and food would be in pill form. I think automated cars let alone buses are probably another 20 years away outside on controlled enviroments! The worrying thing is people don't pay attention now with heads down looking at phones, I dread to think about the dangers and accidents
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Post by george on Dec 1, 2019 21:21:45 GMT
I remember when at primary school (1980s) we were often talking about the year 2000 being the future when there would be flying cars and food would be in pill form. I think automated cars let alone buses are probably another 20 years away outside on controlled enviroments! The worrying thing is people don't pay attention now with heads down looking at phones, I dread to think about the dangers and accidents unfortunately we have seen it gone wrong in the past, which sadly left a women dead. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43459156
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Post by vjaska on Dec 1, 2019 22:12:13 GMT
The only hope for them (or atleast an initial trial) would probably be on that Rapid Transport bus option proposed instead of a tram between Sutton and South Wimbledon which could possibly be built with its own Lane and a contraflow totally secluding it from other traffic. I think there's a good chance of it being a Rapid Transit like a BRT as people won't want tram cables put up, especially if the locals are as voiciferous in their oppositon to trams as those in Ealing. Given they're closer to the trams they may be more accepting of change but of course people locally opposed to the ''Croydonisation of Ealing,'' but I respect that the nature and demographics of Sutton are very different to that of Ealing. I believe there is a lot of local support for a tram extension but I agree that it's likely BRT or even something less 'sexy' than that will go-ahead due to cost
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Post by redbus on Dec 1, 2019 22:27:32 GMT
Driverless buses have a very long way to go before we see driverless buses in central London. I am not going to bet against that happening before 2030, but I think it very unlikely. At best you'll get a driverless bus that can cope with easier situations than those in central London and / or a situation where you need someone to supervise the driverless bus. A class five autonomous bus by 2030 seems unlikely to me.
If you have to have someone supervising, then TfL don't have huge savings, making the idea less attractive.
Then again if the bus is unmanned, how will you ensure everyone pays their fares or will there be LT style fare evasion on steroids?
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