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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 30, 2023 9:24:07 GMT
modgov.lbbd.gov.uk/internet/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=179&MId=12975&Ver=4This might be of interest. Apparently LBBD are for the EL4 heading from Barking Riverside towards Romford. Though Romford is in Havering, but I’m sure LBH would allow the route to exist in that form. And there’s still TfL to talk to. And considering rumours of the A13 being tunnelled between Lodge Avenue and ASDA, it might not be too far fetched to get the EL4 across the A13 between Renwick Road (near proposed Castle Green LO Station) and Goresbrook Road. It won’t be a long time before the route exists though, but I guess it’s nice to know it’s still in the cards. I'm a bit lost as to why Thames View needs yet another route, considering the EL1 and EL2 between themselves provide a bus every few minutes, with the 173 passing around the back too. The EL2 gets close enough to Romford and both the EL1 and EL2 bring you to the 5 in a matter of minutes.
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Post by britishguy54 on Oct 1, 2023 20:47:43 GMT
modgov.lbbd.gov.uk/internet/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=179&MId=12975&Ver=4This might be of interest. Apparently LBBD are for the EL4 heading from Barking Riverside towards Romford. Though Romford is in Havering, but I’m sure LBH would allow the route to exist in that form. And there’s still TfL to talk to. And considering rumours of the A13 being tunnelled between Lodge Avenue and ASDA, it might not be too far fetched to get the EL4 across the A13 between Renwick Road (near proposed Castle Green LO Station) and Goresbrook Road. It won’t be a long time before the route exists though, but I guess it’s nice to know it’s still in the cards. I'm a bit lost as to why Thames View needs yet another route, considering the EL1 and EL2 between themselves provide a bus every few minutes, with the 173 passing around the back too. The EL2 gets close enough to Romford and both the EL1 and EL2 bring you to the 5 in a matter of minutes. I’d imagine it’s to strengthen direct links. Considering the south west corner of B&D doesn’t have many connections considering the boundaries of the A13, River Thames, and River Roding. If we assume that the EL4 takes a similar alignment to the one in the 2016 Barking Riverside document, it would serve both Becontree LU station and the proposed site of Castle Green LO station. I think that then the link to Romford is warranted. Something would have to be done about Renwick Road though. A new set of traffic lights would have to be included, as well as altering the road layout to allow two-way access to the A13.
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Post by northlondon83 on Oct 1, 2023 21:12:30 GMT
I'm a bit lost as to why Thames View needs yet another route, considering the EL1 and EL2 between themselves provide a bus every few minutes, with the 173 passing around the back too. The EL2 gets close enough to Romford and both the EL1 and EL2 bring you to the 5 in a matter of minutes. I’d imagine it’s to strengthen direct links. Considering the south west corner of B&D doesn’t have many connections considering the boundaries of the A13, River Thames, and River Roding. If we assume that the EL4 takes a similar alignment to the one in the 2016 Barking Riverside document, it would serve both Becontree LU station and the proposed site of Castle Green LO station. I think that then the link to Romford is warranted. Something would have to be done about Renwick Road though. A new set of traffic lights would have to be included, as well as altering the road layout to allow two-way access to the A13. I don't think it's viable to have a bus running the whole length of Renwick Road due to the A13. The EL4 sounds like an idea that is unlikely to happen, even though it's actually quite good. I still don't get why Barking Riverside needs a link to Romford. What is there in Romford that they need when Barking is much nearer and can be linked by 3 routes and the Overground
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Post by britishguy54 on Oct 1, 2023 21:21:32 GMT
I’d imagine it’s to strengthen direct links. Considering the south west corner of B&D doesn’t have many connections considering the boundaries of the A13, River Thames, and River Roding. If we assume that the EL4 takes a similar alignment to the one in the 2016 Barking Riverside document, it would serve both Becontree LU station and the proposed site of Castle Green LO station. I think that then the link to Romford is warranted. Something would have to be done about Renwick Road though. A new set of traffic lights would have to be included, as well as altering the road layout to allow two-way access to the A13. I don't think it's viable to have a bus running the whole length of Renwick Road due to the A13. The EL4 sounds like an idea that is unlikely to happen, even though it's actually quite good. I still don't get why Barking Riverside needs a link to Romford. What is there in Romford that they need when Barking is much nearer and can be linked by 3 routes and the Overground The only part the EL4 would likely run on is the part between the A13 and Choats Road, which the junction (or more so, turnings) with the A13 is the only section that needs to change its road layout. Also Romford is generally bigger than Barking. More restaurants, more leisure activities, more everything. Couple that with a quicker link via Becontree, and you have a reason for people to use the route.
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Post by northlondon83 on Oct 1, 2023 21:27:36 GMT
I don't think it's viable to have a bus running the whole length of Renwick Road due to the A13. The EL4 sounds like an idea that is unlikely to happen, even though it's actually quite good. I still don't get why Barking Riverside needs a link to Romford. What is there in Romford that they need when Barking is much nearer and can be linked by 3 routes and the Overground The only part the EL4 would likely run on is the part between the A13 and Choats Road, which the junction (or more so, turnings) with the A13 is the only section that needs to change its road layout. Also Romford is generally bigger than Barking. More restaurants, more leisure activities, more everything. Couple that with a quicker link via Becontree, and you have a reason for people to use the route. Yes but Romford is a lot further than Barking, it's not even in the same borough. There's only 2 routes in Barkingside that go to Romford but several that go to Ilford because it's a lot nearer and probably where people want to go. It's the same with Barking Riverside
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Post by WH241 on Oct 1, 2023 21:27:56 GMT
I'm a bit lost as to why Thames View needs yet another route, considering the EL1 and EL2 between themselves provide a bus every few minutes, with the 173 passing around the back too. The EL2 gets close enough to Romford and both the EL1 and EL2 bring you to the 5 in a matter of minutes. I’d imagine it’s to strengthen direct links. Considering the south west corner of B&D doesn’t have many connections considering the boundaries of the A13, River Thames, and River Roding. If we assume that the EL4 takes a similar alignment to the one in the 2016 Barking Riverside document, it would serve both Becontree LU station and the proposed site of Castle Green LO station. I think that then the link to Romford is warranted. Something would have to be done about Renwick Road though. A new set of traffic lights would have to be included, as well as altering the road layout to allow two-way access to the A13. I can’t seem them reinstating the Renwick road turn off the A13 eastbound.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 1, 2023 21:43:37 GMT
I don't think it's viable to have a bus running the whole length of Renwick Road due to the A13. The EL4 sounds like an idea that is unlikely to happen, even though it's actually quite good. I still don't get why Barking Riverside needs a link to Romford. What is there in Romford that they need when Barking is much nearer and can be linked by 3 routes and the Overground The only part the EL4 would likely run on is the part between the A13 and Choats Road, which the junction (or more so, turnings) with the A13 is the only section that needs to change its road layout. Also Romford is generally bigger than Barking. More restaurants, more leisure activities, more everything. Couple that with a quicker link via Becontree, and you have a reason for people to use the route. Although Stratford already has a direct link to Barking and is better than Romford for all of what you mention, there's a reason Barking to Romford only needs the one route. Anyone from Barking who wants to go to a bigger town centre will almost always go to Stratford instead as it's closer and easier to get to. People from Barking Riverside already have the Overground which takes them to Barking Station for the various links, and the EL1 goes Ilford too on top of that.
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Post by joefrombow on Oct 2, 2023 11:38:27 GMT
The only part the EL4 would likely run on is the part between the A13 and Choats Road, which the junction (or more so, turnings) with the A13 is the only section that needs to change its road layout. Also Romford is generally bigger than Barking. More restaurants, more leisure activities, more everything. Couple that with a quicker link via Becontree, and you have a reason for people to use the route. Although Stratford already has a direct link to Barking and is better than Romford for all of what you mention, there's a reason Barking to Romford only needs the one route. Anyone from Barking who wants to go to a bigger town centre will almost always go to Stratford instead as it's closer and easier to get to. People from Barking Riverside already have the Overground which takes them to Barking Station for the various links, and the EL1 goes Ilford too on top of that. If anything wasn't there a plan not too long ago to Extend the 499 to Goresbrook "Leisure" park ? If anything extend it to Riverside via Choats Road but whatever way you go via Becontree or Barking , Romford is a long way away from Barking Riverside .
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Post by vjaska on Oct 2, 2023 11:43:38 GMT
Although Stratford already has a direct link to Barking and is better than Romford for all of what you mention, there's a reason Barking to Romford only needs the one route. Anyone from Barking who wants to go to a bigger town centre will almost always go to Stratford instead as it's closer and easier to get to. People from Barking Riverside already have the Overground which takes them to Barking Station for the various links, and the EL1 goes Ilford too on top of that. If anything wasn't there a plan not too long ago to Extend the 499 to Goresbrook "Leisure" park ? If anything extend it to Riverside via Choats Road but whatever way you go via Becontree or Barking , Romford is a long way away from Barking Riverside . Would anyone from Barking Riverside really want to go to Romford though considering Barking & Ilford are just one bus away and combined, provide similar shopping facilities?
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Post by ThinLizzy on Oct 2, 2023 11:54:57 GMT
If anything wasn't there a plan not too long ago to Extend the 499 to Goresbrook "Leisure" park ? If anything extend it to Riverside via Choats Road but whatever way you go via Becontree or Barking , Romford is a long way away from Barking Riverside . Would anyone from Barking Riverside really want to go to Romford though considering Barking & Ilford are just one bus away and combined, provide similar shopping facilities? Barkings shopping and leisure facilities are relatively poor when compared with Romford. When I lived in Barking I'd rarely go into Barking for anything other than catching a train back out. There was only two pubs in Barking Town, neither of which are worth visiting, apart from that there's only 3 decent places to eat in Barking Town (Nandos, the Chicken Shop opposite the station and a restaurant on North Street.) For nightlife, Romford has many many more locations than Ilford and Barking combined. Ilford is OK for shopping, but everything was really a scaled back version of Romford apart from the larger Primark. I can see the EL4 being a good move, it's not just about linking Barking Riverside to Romford, it also links parts of Becontree to Romford and provides a service for the first time to parts of Goresbrook Village
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Post by britishguy54 on Mar 25, 2024 21:52:38 GMT
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Post by va59 on Mar 27, 2024 16:27:07 GMT
If anything wasn't there a plan not too long ago to Extend the 499 to Goresbrook "Leisure" park ? If anything extend it to Riverside via Choats Road but whatever way you go via Becontree or Barking , Romford is a long way away from Barking Riverside . Would anyone from Barking Riverside really want to go to Romford though considering Barking & Ilford are just one bus away and combined, provide similar shopping facilities? Not being funny here but if you'd been to Ilford and Barking, you'll realise that they are the cows backside of East London. Horrible areas. Romford is a much better location.
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Post by va59 on Mar 27, 2024 16:28:17 GMT
I think you can be pretty sure as night follows day, this won't be happening.
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Post by WH241 on Mar 27, 2024 17:44:42 GMT
Would anyone from Barking Riverside really want to go to Romford though considering Barking & Ilford are just one bus away and combined, provide similar shopping facilities? Not being funny here but if you'd been to Ilford and Barking, you'll realise that they are the cows backside of East London. Horrible areas. Romford is a much better location. I couldn't agree more. No disrespect to anyone from the Barking area but the town center is awful and the area around the station is pretty bleak! I hadn't ventured to Barking on foot for about 4 years until last weekend. Ilford is now becoming very run down, the town center is struggling after losing big shops like Wilko and Debenhams a few years ago, it will get even worse when M&S closes in June. My local area around Canning Town is not much better despise all the new housing the local high street is run down. It's so bad that we are worthy of not one but three Greegs Outlet stores in the space of a few miles.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 27, 2024 17:47:07 GMT
Would anyone from Barking Riverside really want to go to Romford though considering Barking & Ilford are just one bus away and combined, provide similar shopping facilities? Not being funny here but if you'd been to Ilford and Barking, you'll realise that they are the cows backside of East London. Horrible areas. Romford is a much better location. I think you've completely misread the area, Barking and Ilford leave a lot to be desired but Romford is probably just as bad if not worse. It's why the 5 is probably the only route that's required and most people only use the 5 up to the Becontree Heath area from Barking anyway. People in Barking and Ilford who want to leave for another town centre will go to Stratford, you can see that by the fact the 238 is always hammered e2e and the 25/86/425 are disaster zones themselves, and that doesn't include anyone going by train.
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