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Post by route53 on Jan 5, 2020 12:58:39 GMT
It’s not a big idea, but there’s three things I would like to happen to the route:
1: Re-extend the 108 to Lower Sydenham to take the pressure off the 75
2: Reroute the 108 around the Blackheath area, so that it runs down the A102 as far as East Greenwich, then normal routing from there.
3: The southern section of the route which is the longer section should be double decked between North Greenwich and Lower Sydenham, while single deck journeys would obviously remain single decked
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 5, 2020 13:00:53 GMT
It seems as if it might be a lot easier to introduce a new route from North Greenwich to Lower Sydenham via the 108. I suggest this because journeys from Stratford are already long as it is and the last thing you need to do is extend that route any further in either direction.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 5, 2020 13:22:57 GMT
It’s not a big idea, but there’s three things I would like to happen to the route: 1: Re-extend the 108 to Lower Sydenham to take the pressure off the 75 2: Reroute the 108 around the Blackheath area, so that it runs down the A102 as far as East Greenwich, then normal routing from there. 3: The southern section of the route which is the longer section should be double decked between North Greenwich and Lower Sydenham, while single deck journeys would obviously remain single decked The traffic in Catford and along Catford Hill would wreck a route like the 108 which has its own issues to face with the Blackwall Tunnel.
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Post by 6HP502C on Jan 5, 2020 13:53:56 GMT
I personally wouldn't champion any extensions to the 108 - as mentioned it has enough issues as it is with Blackwall Tunnel and events at North Greenwich. Sometimes the service severely goes up the wall and you wouldn't really want to increase the reach of that.
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Post by busaholic on Jan 5, 2020 14:56:44 GMT
It seems as if it might be a lot easier to introduce a new route from North Greenwich to Lower Sydenham via the 108. I suggest this because journeys from Stratford are already long as it is and the last thing you need to do is extend that route any further in either direction. Even if TfL were prepared to consider a regular service of 'shorts' on the 108, the operational disadvantages of having a good proportion of double deckers interspersed among the single deckers would surely make this a no-no. Each type would have to have separate schedules in effect, with no interworking possible. At present, there is the theoretical possibility of a garage allocation north of the Thames, as always used to be the case anyway, exclusively! I don't envisage this situation occurring again anytime soon, but TfL might well like that door (or tunnel ) not to be closed.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 5, 2020 16:19:03 GMT
It’s not a big idea, but there’s three things I would like to happen to the route: 1: Re-extend the 108 to Lower Sydenham to take the pressure off the 75 2: Reroute the 108 around the Blackheath area, so that it runs down the A102 as far as East Greenwich, then normal routing from there. 3: The southern section of the route which is the longer section should be double decked between North Greenwich and Lower Sydenham, while single deck journeys would obviously remain single decked 1. I don’t think the 75’s under that much pressure. 2. Don’t see any advantage in removing the Westcombe Hill to Blackheath Village/Lewisham link. 3. See other contributors: not a good idea. Personally I wouldn’t extend the 108 anywhere.
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Post by greenboy on Jan 5, 2020 17:14:28 GMT
It’s not a big idea, but there’s three things I would like to happen to the route: 1: Re-extend the 108 to Lower Sydenham to take the pressure off the 75 2: Reroute the 108 around the Blackheath area, so that it runs down the A102 as far as East Greenwich, then normal routing from there. 3: The southern section of the route which is the longer section should be double decked between North Greenwich and Lower Sydenham, while single deck journeys would obviously remain single decked Does the 75 need any pressure taken off? I would think the current service level is sufficient, possibly a slight frequency increase but I can't see any justification in extending the 108 to Sydenham.
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Post by Dillon95 on Jan 10, 2020 11:52:03 GMT
I don't think you can really make the 108 any longer in this day and age, due to congestion in the Blackwall Tunnel. I would like more routes to connect East and South East London however. An additional route via the Blackwall Tunnel from Woolwich to Beckton perhaps. Also one via the Rotherhithe Tunnel, maybe Canada Water to Canary Wharf.
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Post by ronnie on Jan 10, 2020 12:35:15 GMT
I don't think you can really make the 108 any longer in this day and age, due to congestion in the Blackwall Tunnel. I would like more routes to connect East and South East London however. An additional route via the Blackwall Tunnel from Woolwich to Beckton perhaps. Also one via the Rotherhithe Tunnel, maybe Canada Water to Canary Wharf. Nothing above 2 tons allowed now through Rotherhithe tunnel so we would be running 6 seat buses!
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Post by Dillon95 on Jan 10, 2020 13:13:14 GMT
I don't think you can really make the 108 any longer in this day and age, due to congestion in the Blackwall Tunnel. I would like more routes to connect East and South East London however. An additional route via the Blackwall Tunnel from Woolwich to Beckton perhaps. Also one via the Rotherhithe Tunnel, maybe Canada Water to Canary Wharf. Nothing above 2 tons allowed now through Rotherhithe tunnel so we would be running 6 seat buses! Oh really that's a shame, I wasn't aware of this. That's a shame.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 10, 2020 13:51:16 GMT
Nothing above 2 tons allowed now through Rotherhithe tunnel so we would be running 6 seat buses! Oh really that's a shame, I wasn't aware of this. That's a shame. Not only that but the Rotherhithe Tunnel has long had a width restriction which is why the P14 & 395 were using minibuses.
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Post by Dillon95 on Jan 10, 2020 14:08:42 GMT
Oh really that's a shame, I wasn't aware of this. That's a shame. Not only that but the Rotherhithe Tunnel has long had a width restriction which is why the P14 & 395 were using minibuses. They should widen it then 😝
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Post by BK15AZR on Jan 10, 2020 14:36:45 GMT
I don't think you can really make the 108 any longer in this day and age, due to congestion in the Blackwall Tunnel. I would like more routes to connect East and South East London however. An additional route via the Blackwall Tunnel from Woolwich to Beckton perhaps. Also one via the Rotherhithe Tunnel, maybe Canada Water to Canary Wharf. Would definitely welcome a route connecting the Docklands to the southern side of Thames, e.g. Charlton/East Greenwich where there's not even a direct link to the other side of the river! Have been thinking if the 129 or 486 can be extended to Crossharbour or even Limehouse (via Millharbour & Canary Wharf)?
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Post by ronnie on Jan 10, 2020 15:46:37 GMT
I don't think you can really make the 108 any longer in this day and age, due to congestion in the Blackwall Tunnel. I would like more routes to connect East and South East London however. An additional route via the Blackwall Tunnel from Woolwich to Beckton perhaps. Also one via the Rotherhithe Tunnel, maybe Canada Water to Canary Wharf. Would definitely welcome a route connecting the Docklands to the southern side of Thames, e.g. Charlton/East Greenwich where there's not even a direct link to the other side of the river! Have been thinking if the 129 or 486 can be extended to Crossharbour or even Limehouse (via Millharbour & Canary Wharf)? How about extending one of D3 / 100 south of the river (to Charlton?)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 17:10:57 GMT
Guess no new routes will start until the Silvertown Tunnel is built then they will probably review options for both tunnels.
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