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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 12, 2020 22:51:07 GMT
If the thread was rather titled "Routes you prefer not to be gained by Tower Transit" The 205 would probably top that list. After the showing on the 25 and 425 the last thing we want are them returning to that corridor with the 205  Going back to the topic of the thread I don't quite mind if they win anything if they operate them well. One route I do hope they do not win is the 62 though for sentimental value. I finally saw why everyone says the 13 is run so bad today... Rode on the 232 for the first time, to get my first ever ride on a Wright Streetlite, and got on WS140 from Brent Cross to Henlys Corner, where I was going to take a 13 to Golders Green. Now this is where the story starts... Bus times said the bus was due in 12 minutes, it ended up being 23 minutes. I watched as 3 MVs were apparently all due to leave North Finchley at the same time and after a few minutes of not moving, all 3 left and travelled together in a convoy... So rather then regulating the service they just pointlessly sent out 3 buses all at once to travel in a weird convoy. I got on MV38231 which was at the front, and MV38222 was following closely behind, and another one I forgot the ID of zoomed past whilst we were at a bus stop just before GG. I can now see where the dislike stems from - especially if they ran the 25/425 like that. The 25 at the moment has been operating woefully, just Friday I missed an MV just for two WHs to leave together ages later. It's not the first time I've seen it happening and I know it won't be the last. I'll be fair to them though, the 25 (and 425) have both never been as bad as the 13 has become. I know that there are many reasons why routes may have slipping standards be they crowds or traffic. The 13 unsurprisingly battles both which may be a factor in its performance. However there's many cases where even at 11pm at night there's been no buses along a large chunk of the route or turns all over the place. I also know Tower have given everything they have got at it with many new schedules put in place since the win but maybe this is a case of where defeat should be accepted. The route seems to be impossible to operate with the resources which TfL offered and then with the resources that TT bidded for the route with. Route 13 on its performance graph has only ever once managed to reach minimum standard. I think the route could be one to watch next tender, TT will know exactly what this route throws up and I'm sure they'll adjust their prices accordingly. Just hope that nobody then flies in with an even cheaper bid just for everything to start all over again. This also shows that something that's not broken shouldn't be fixed regarding all of the Finchley Road changes. |
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Post by ServerKing on Jan 12, 2020 22:55:29 GMT
Honestly the 41. As much as there's no GAL routes in the area of Crouch End, Archway & even Turnpike Lane (only 231 and maybe another idk correct me if I'm wrong) I personally like Arriva running it. Same with the 102. I can't lie, seeing the 232 in areas that have not been known to have go Ahead routes (Arnos Grove, New Southgate, Finchley, Brent Cross, St Raphael's etc) it was very odd but then I suppose it was the same with the 13. Thankfully they never got the 318, or those shabby WS's from the 192 would be there right now  |
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Post by VWH1414 on Jan 12, 2020 23:01:14 GMT
I finally saw why everyone says the 13 is run so bad today... Rode on the 232 for the first time, to get my first ever ride on a Wright Streetlite, and got on WS140 from Brent Cross to Henlys Corner, where I was going to take a 13 to Golders Green. Now this is where the story starts... Bus times said the bus was due in 12 minutes, it ended up being 23 minutes. I watched as 3 MVs were apparently all due to leave North Finchley at the same time and after a few minutes of not moving, all 3 left and travelled together in a convoy... So rather then regulating the service they just pointlessly sent out 3 buses all at once to travel in a weird convoy. I got on MV38231 which was at the front, and MV38222 was following closely behind, and another one I forgot the ID of zoomed past whilst we were at a bus stop just before GG. I can now see where the dislike stems from - especially if they ran the 25/425 like that. The 25 at the moment has been operating woefully, just Friday I missed an MV just for two WHs to leave together ages later. It's not the first time I've seen it happening and I know it won't be the last. I'll be fair to them though, the 25 (and 425) have both never been as bad as the 13 has become. I know that there are many reasons why routes may have slipping standards be they crowds or traffic. The 13 unsurprisingly battles both which may be a factor in its performance. However there's many cases where even at 11pm at night there's been no buses along a large chunk of the route or turns all over the place. I also know Tower have given everything they have got at it with many new schedules put in place since the win but maybe this is a case of where defeat should be accepted. The route seems to be impossible to operate with the resources which TfL offered and then with the resources that TT bidded for the route with. Route 13 on its performance graph has only ever once managed to reach minimum standard. I think the route could be one to watch next tender, TT will know exactly what this route throws up and I'm sure they'll adjust their prices accordingly. Just hope that nobody then flies in with an even cheaper bid just for everything to start all over again. This also shows that something that's not broken shouldn't be fixed regarding all of the Finchley Road changes. With the 13 hopefully it will find itself with Metroline PB again, as they managed to pull of good performance graphs (Except some slips here and there) back when it was still the 82. TT just don't seem to do well with the extremely big routes such as the 13 & 25. Although I haven't experienced any of their other routes other then the 13 and RV1 - So I have no idea how the smaller routes operate. I reckon if any other operator puts a low bid in and gets it, it will just be a repeat - so hopefully either TT put a better bid in and improve or Metroline gain it back next tender - can't imagine being a local to this route, as it is pretty bad currently. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jan 12, 2020 23:02:44 GMT
If the thread was rather titled "Routes you prefer not to be gained by Tower Transit" The 205 would probably top that list. After the showing on the 25 and 425 the last thing we want are them returning to that corridor with the 205 Going back to the topic of the thread I don't quite mind if they win anything if they operate them well. One route I do hope they do not win is the 62 though for sentimental value. I finally saw why everyone says the 13 is run so bad today... Rode on the 232 for the first time, to get my first ever ride on a Wright Streetlite, and got on WS140 from Brent Cross to Henlys Corner, where I was going to take a 13 to Golders Green. Now this is where the story starts... Bus times said the bus was due in 12 minutes, it ended up being 23 minutes. I watched as 3 MVs were apparently all due to leave North Finchley at the same time and after a few minutes of not moving, all 3 left and travelled together in a convoy... So rather then regulating the service they just pointlessly sent out 3 buses all at once to travel in a weird convoy. I got on MV38231 which was at the front, and MV38222 was following closely behind, and another one I forgot the ID of zoomed past whilst we were at a bus stop just before GG. I can now see where the dislike stems from - especially if they ran the 25/425 like that. I finally saw why everyone says the 13 is run so bad today... Rode on the 232 for the first time, to get my first ever ride on a Wright Streetlite, and got on WS140 from Brent Cross to Henlys Corner, where I was going to take a 13 to Golders Green. Now this is where the story starts... Bus times said the bus was due in 12 minutes, it ended up being 23 minutes. I watched as 3 MVs were apparently all due to leave North Finchley at the same time and after a few minutes of not moving, all 3 left and travelled together in a convoy... So rather then regulating the service they just pointlessly sent out 3 buses all at once to travel in a weird convoy. I got on MV38231 which was at the front, and MV38222 was following closely behind, and another one I forgot the ID of zoomed past whilst we were at a bus stop just before GG. I can now see where the dislike stems from - especially if they ran the 25/425 like that. The 25 at the moment has been operating woefully, just Friday I missed an MV just for two WHs to leave together ages later. It's not the first time I've seen it happening and I know it won't be the last. I'll be fair to them though, the 25 (and 425) have both never been as bad as the 13 has become. I know that there are many reasons why routes may have slipping standards be they crowds or traffic. The 13 unsurprisingly battles both which may be a factor in its performance. However there's many cases where even at 11pm at night there's been no buses along a large chunk of the route or turns all over the place. I also know Tower have given everything they have got at it with many new schedules put in place since the win but maybe this is a case of where defeat should be accepted. The route seems to be impossible to operate with the resources which TfL offered and then with the resources that TT bidded for the route with. Route 13 on its performance graph has only ever once managed to reach minimum standard. I think the route could be one to watch next tender, TT will know exactly what this route throws up and I'm sure they'll adjust their prices accordingly. Just hope that nobody then flies in with an even cheaper bid just for everything to start all over again. This also shows that something that's not broken shouldn't be fixed regarding all of the Finchley Road changes. Maybe route 13 is one that under the circumstances you would like to see awarded to .... Go-Ahead (SW).  The most sensible alternative would be Metroline (HT or W) but it could return to RATP (BT). |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 12, 2020 23:03:52 GMT
The 25 at the moment has been operating woefully, just Friday I missed an MV just for two WHs to leave together ages later. It's not the first time I've seen it happening and I know it won't be the last. I'll be fair to them though, the 25 (and 425) have both never been as bad as the 13 has become. I know that there are many reasons why routes may have slipping standards be they crowds or traffic. The 13 unsurprisingly battles both which may be a factor in its performance. However there's many cases where even at 11pm at night there's been no buses along a large chunk of the route or turns all over the place. I also know Tower have given everything they have got at it with many new schedules put in place since the win but maybe this is a case of where defeat should be accepted. The route seems to be impossible to operate with the resources which TfL offered and then with the resources that TT bidded for the route with. Route 13 on its performance graph has only ever once managed to reach minimum standard. I think the route could be one to watch next tender, TT will know exactly what this route throws up and I'm sure they'll adjust their prices accordingly. Just hope that nobody then flies in with an even cheaper bid just for everything to start all over again. This also shows that something that's not broken shouldn't be fixed regarding all of the Finchley Road changes. With the 13 hopefully it will find itself with Metroline PB again, as they managed to pull of good performance graphs (Except some slips here and there) back when it was still the 82. TT just don't seem to do well with the extremely big routes such as the 13 & 25. Although I haven't experienced any of their other routes other then the 13 and RV1 - So I have no idea how the smaller routes operate. I reckon if any other operator puts a low bid in and gets it, it will just be a repeat - so hopefully either TT put a better bid in and improve or Metroline gain it back next tender - can't imagine being a local to this route, as it is pretty bad currently. I intentionally avoided mentioning Metroline over at PB. In fairness even though the 13 is the same route as the 82 it's not in the same circumstances as there's no route supporting it anymore, while with the 82 users would often be quite equally split with the 13. So even if PB do get it back they'll certainly not be able to operate it using exactly the same techniques as last time. |
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Post by george on Jan 12, 2020 23:09:10 GMT
I finally saw why everyone says the 13 is run so bad today... Rode on the 232 for the first time, to get my first ever ride on a Wright Streetlite, and got on WS140 from Brent Cross to Henlys Corner, where I was going to take a 13 to Golders Green. Now this is where the story starts... Bus times said the bus was due in 12 minutes, it ended up being 23 minutes. I watched as 3 MVs were apparently all due to leave North Finchley at the same time and after a few minutes of not moving, all 3 left and travelled together in a convoy... So rather then regulating the service they just pointlessly sent out 3 buses all at once to travel in a weird convoy. I got on MV38231 which was at the front, and MV38222 was following closely behind, and another one I forgot the ID of zoomed past whilst we were at a bus stop just before GG. I can now see where the dislike stems from - especially if they ran the 25/425 like that. The 25 at the moment has been operating woefully, just Friday I missed an MV just for two WHs to leave together ages later. It's not the first time I've seen it happening and I know it won't be the last. I'll be fair to them though, the 25 (and 425) have both never been as bad as the 13 has become. I know that there are many reasons why routes may have slipping standards be they crowds or traffic. The 13 unsurprisingly battles both which may be a factor in its performance. However there's many cases where even at 11pm at night there's been no buses along a large chunk of the route or turns all over the place. I also know Tower have given everything they have got at it with many new schedules put in place since the win but maybe this is a case of where defeat should be accepted. The route seems to be impossible to operate with the resources which TfL offered and then with the resources that TT bidded for the route with. Route 13 on its performance graph has only ever once managed to reach minimum standard. I think the route could be one to watch next tender, TT will know exactly what this route throws up and I'm sure they'll adjust their prices accordingly. Just hope that nobody then flies in with an even cheaper bid just for everything to start all over again. This also shows that something that's not broken shouldn't be fixed regarding all of the Finchley Road changes. I don't really ever use the 25 but I really hope Stagecoach make a success of it as this was such a big win for them. I've heard a lot of bad comments about Tower Transits operation on the 25 recently so I'm sure a lot of people are happy about the route going to Stagecoach. |
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Post by VWH1414 on Jan 12, 2020 23:11:26 GMT
I finally saw why everyone says the 13 is run so bad today... Rode on the 232 for the first time, to get my first ever ride on a Wright Streetlite, and got on WS140 from Brent Cross to Henlys Corner, where I was going to take a 13 to Golders Green. Now this is where the story starts... Bus times said the bus was due in 12 minutes, it ended up being 23 minutes. I watched as 3 MVs were apparently all due to leave North Finchley at the same time and after a few minutes of not moving, all 3 left and travelled together in a convoy... So rather then regulating the service they just pointlessly sent out 3 buses all at once to travel in a weird convoy. I got on MV38231 which was at the front, and MV38222 was following closely behind, and another one I forgot the ID of zoomed past whilst we were at a bus stop just before GG. I can now see where the dislike stems from - especially if they ran the 25/425 like that. The 25 at the moment has been operating woefully, just Friday I missed an MV just for two WHs to leave together ages later. It's not the first time I've seen it happening and I know it won't be the last. I'll be fair to them though, the 25 (and 425) have both never been as bad as the 13 has become. I know that there are many reasons why routes may have slipping standards be they crowds or traffic. The 13 unsurprisingly battles both which may be a factor in its performance. However there's many cases where even at 11pm at night there's been no buses along a large chunk of the route or turns all over the place. I also know Tower have given everything they have got at it with many new schedules put in place since the win but maybe this is a case of where defeat should be accepted. The route seems to be impossible to operate with the resources which TfL offered and then with the resources that TT bidded for the route with. Route 13 on its performance graph has only ever once managed to reach minimum standard. I think the route could be one to watch next tender, TT will know exactly what this route throws up and I'm sure they'll adjust their prices accordingly. Just hope that nobody then flies in with an even cheaper bid just for everything to start all over again. This also shows that something that's not broken shouldn't be fixed regarding all of the Finchley Road changes. Maybe route 13 is one that under the circumstances you would like to see awarded to .... Go-Ahead (SW). The most sensible alternative would be Metroline (HT or W) but it could return to RATP (BT). Unlikely it'll go to BT, as it isn't the same route - it is the 82 in disguise really. The 139 is basically what became of the 13 (Although theoretically the 13 was withdrawn and 139 covering parts of the former 13), which BT just lost anyway. Also lack of space would be an issue, 13 is bigger then the 139. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 12, 2020 23:25:17 GMT
The 25 at the moment has been operating woefully, just Friday I missed an MV just for two WHs to leave together ages later. It's not the first time I've seen it happening and I know it won't be the last. I'll be fair to them though, the 25 (and 425) have both never been as bad as the 13 has become. I know that there are many reasons why routes may have slipping standards be they crowds or traffic. The 13 unsurprisingly battles both which may be a factor in its performance. However there's many cases where even at 11pm at night there's been no buses along a large chunk of the route or turns all over the place. I also know Tower have given everything they have got at it with many new schedules put in place since the win but maybe this is a case of where defeat should be accepted. The route seems to be impossible to operate with the resources which TfL offered and then with the resources that TT bidded for the route with. Route 13 on its performance graph has only ever once managed to reach minimum standard. I think the route could be one to watch next tender, TT will know exactly what this route throws up and I'm sure they'll adjust their prices accordingly. Just hope that nobody then flies in with an even cheaper bid just for everything to start all over again. This also shows that something that's not broken shouldn't be fixed regarding all of the Finchley Road changes. I don't really ever use the 25 but I really hope Stagecoach make a success of it as this was such a big win for them. I've heard a lot of bad comments about Tower Transits operation on the 25 recently so I'm sure a lot of people are happy about the route going to Stagecoach. Of course, routes like the 25 are incredibly difficult to run what with endless roadworks in the beginning due to the cycle works and then the endless digging up of Central London streets due to ageing infrastructure underground and then throw in endless re-schedules to cope with all this and the cutback and it's not easy. I do feel at times they get a rougher ride - they're not perfect but equally, you could do a lot worse elsewhere in the country. |
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 12, 2020 23:29:09 GMT
197 ... oh too late for that one! I was hoping route 197 to be awarded to Abellio, or even Stagecoach as I live so near a Stagecoach 197 in Manchester. To be honest, I would have preferred anyone other than GAL |
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Post by george on Jan 12, 2020 23:30:30 GMT
I don't really ever use the 25 but I really hope Stagecoach make a success of it as this was such a big win for them. I've heard a lot of bad comments about Tower Transits operation on the 25 recently so I'm sure a lot of people are happy about the route going to Stagecoach. Of course, routes like the 25 are incredibly difficult to run what with endless roadworks in the beginning due to the cycle works and then the endless digging up of Central London streets due to ageing infrastructure underground and then throw in endless re-schedules to cope with all this and the cutback and it's not easy. I do feel at times they get a rougher ride - they're not perfect but equally, you could do a lot worse elsewhere in the country. I'm always very aware of how difficult it is to run a bus service in London especially in and around Central London. |
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Post by rif153 on Jan 13, 2020 21:14:34 GMT
52 - We see plenty of GA buses in Victoria, and Metroline better reflects the link from there to Willesden I fully agree about the 52, its a great route and there are few Metroline routes using conventionals in Central London as it is and I really like the route. Sticking with the Notting Hill Gate and Victoria theme, I don't want GA to win the 148. |
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Post by redbus on Jan 13, 2020 21:45:39 GMT
With the 13 hopefully it will find itself with Metroline PB again, as they managed to pull of good performance graphs (Except some slips here and there) back when it was still the 82. TT just don't seem to do well with the extremely big routes such as the 13 & 25. Although I haven't experienced any of their other routes other then the 13 and RV1 - So I have no idea how the smaller routes operate. I reckon if any other operator puts a low bid in and gets it, it will just be a repeat - so hopefully either TT put a better bid in and improve or Metroline gain it back next tender - can't imagine being a local to this route, as it is pretty bad currently. I intentionally avoided mentioning Metroline over at PB. In fairness even though the 13 is the same route as the 82 it's not in the same circumstances as there's no route supporting it anymore, while with the 82 users would often be quite equally split with the 13. So even if PB do get it back they'll certainly not be able to operate it using exactly the same techniques as last time. The circumstances are not totally dissimilar, in that you have help for the 13 from the 460 as Golders Green, and then from Platts Lane you have the 113 all the way to Selfridges, where the old 13 would have split from the 82 anyway. However that should not disguise the major differences either.
TfL didn't mandate any particular level of resources for the 13, it was up to the Operator to bid with the level of resources they felt was required. Arguably a higher level of resources is required than that with which the bid was made or TT have been able to provide. I presume it will be up for tender for 2022 and I would expect TT to bid again, but based on the level of resources it can see are needed with the benefit of hindsight. Although I would expect the bidding to be competitive, with Metroline and RATP bidding, but I would not expect a repetition of a 'cheap' bid because it would not be in the Operators interest to do so. Go-Ahead could easily be another bidder, and who knows, may even win.
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Post by george on Jan 13, 2020 21:57:13 GMT
52 - We see plenty of GA buses in Victoria, and Metroline better reflects the link from there to Willesden I fully agree about the 52, its a great route and there are few Metroline routes using conventionals in Central London as it is and I really like the route. Sticking with the Notting Hill Gate and Victoria theme, I don't want GA to win the 148. Will be one more when they get the 139. |
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Post by DE20106 on Jan 13, 2020 23:24:27 GMT
Much as I like Go-Ahead London, I occasionally notice people who are dismayed or just bored when a route is awarded to Go-Ahead London. I therefore thought I'd start a thread about routes you'd prefer not to see awarded to Go-Ahead. These can be any routes, not just those out to tender soon. 205 - It would be brilliant to see it won by Tower Transit, as both LI and X would be good bases for it. If the thread was rather titled "Routes you prefer not to be gained by Tower Transit" The 205 would probably top that list. After the showing on the 25 and 425 the last thing we want are them returning to that corridor with the 205 Going back to the topic of the thread I don't quite mind if they win anything if they operate them well. One route I do hope they do not win is the 62 though for sentimental value. I’m have the same sentimental values with the C10 as you do with the 62, so I totally get it. I hope Abellio hold onto the C10 as long as possible, and regards to the 62 I hope Stagecoach keep it too. Like the 227 it looks like it’s been with Stagecoach and its predecessors for a very long time, except with a small hiatus with Ensignbus in the late 80s. If the thread was rather titled "Routes you prefer not to be gained by Tower Transit" The 205 would probably top that list. After the showing on the 25 and 425 the last thing we want are them returning to that corridor with the 205 Going back to the topic of the thread I don't quite mind if they win anything if they operate them well. One route I do hope they do not win is the 62 though for sentimental value. I finally saw why everyone says the 13 is run so bad today... Rode on the 232 for the first time, to get my first ever ride on a Wright Streetlite, and got on WS140 from Brent Cross to Henlys Corner, where I was going to take a 13 to Golders Green. Now this is where the story starts... Bus times said the bus was due in 12 minutes, it ended up being 23 minutes. I watched as 3 MVs were apparently all due to leave North Finchley at the same time and after a few minutes of not moving, all 3 left and travelled together in a convoy... So rather then regulating the service they just pointlessly sent out 3 buses all at once to travel in a weird convoy. I got on MV38231 which was at the front, and MV38222 was following closely behind, and another one I forgot the ID of zoomed past whilst we were at a bus stop just before GG. I can now see where the dislike stems from - especially if they ran the 25/425 like that. So Tower Transit, where do I start with them. Fortunately with the 13 it looks like its much more an exception than the norm, mainly because it was unsustainable from the start. I think someone reported on here who is a 13 driver not so long ago in the evening peaks only 60 minutes is scheduled to run the whole route from Victoria to North Finchley, there’s no headway and the timetable is ridiculously tight. Thankfully none of the other routes seem to be like this. The 228 as much I hate the route itself it is excellently ran, being a low frequency route it has to run extactly to a timetable, an it usually does this perfectly. Same with the 339, 488 and W14. They seem to have their low frequency routes absolutely nailed to a T.... or if you prefer (excuse the pun): nailed to a TT.  I’ve done the 218 quite a bit since it started and that seems to be doing reasonably too, same with the 262 and 473 after a somewhat shaky start, especially off-peak the headways are usually bang on there. And then you have their vehicle maintenance and presentation, which is just second to none and is something they’re exceptional at so hats off to them there for taking pride in their fleet😁 |
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Post by DE20106 on Jan 13, 2020 23:36:17 GMT
I finally saw why everyone says the 13 is run so bad today... Rode on the 232 for the first time, to get my first ever ride on a Wright Streetlite, and got on WS140 from Brent Cross to Henlys Corner, where I was going to take a 13 to Golders Green. Now this is where the story starts... Bus times said the bus was due in 12 minutes, it ended up being 23 minutes. I watched as 3 MVs were apparently all due to leave North Finchley at the same time and after a few minutes of not moving, all 3 left and travelled together in a convoy... So rather then regulating the service they just pointlessly sent out 3 buses all at once to travel in a weird convoy. I got on MV38231 which was at the front, and MV38222 was following closely behind, and another one I forgot the ID of zoomed past whilst we were at a bus stop just before GG. I can now see where the dislike stems from - especially if they ran the 25/425 like that. The 25 at the moment has been operating woefully, just Friday I missed an MV just for two WHs to leave together ages later. It's not the first time I've seen it happening and I know it won't be the last. I'll be fair to them though, the 25 (and 425) have both never been as bad as the 13 has become. I know that there are many reasons why routes may have slipping standards be they crowds or traffic. The 13 unsurprisingly battles both which may be a factor in its performance. However there's many cases where even at 11pm at night there's been no buses along a large chunk of the route or turns all over the place. I also know Tower have given everything they have got at it with many new schedules put in place since the win but maybe this is a case of where defeat should be accepted. The route seems to be impossible to operate with the resources which TfL offered and then with the resources that TT bidded for the route with. Route 13 on its performance graph has only ever once managed to reach minimum standard. I think the route could be one to watch next tender, TT will know exactly what this route throws up and I'm sure they'll adjust their prices accordingly. Just hope that nobody then flies in with an even cheaper bid just for everything to start all over again. This also shows that something that's not broken shouldn't be fixed regarding all of the Finchley Road changes. The problem here is though who else is going to want the route on the terms TT has bidded on it for? If the rumours of TT losing money on the 13 are true and they want to get rid of it, who on earth would take it from them? I don’t think anyone would be able to turn the 13 into a profitable route with the resources TfL have offered (and an operator would then inherit) so it looks like they’re stuck with it until 2022 |
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I’ve done the 218 quite a bit since it started and that seems to be doing reasonably too, same with the 262 and 473 after a somewhat shaky start, especially off-peak the headways are usually bang on there. And then you have their vehicle maintenance and presentation, which is just second to none and is something they’re exceptional at so hats off to them there for taking pride in their fleet😁