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Post by SILENCED on Jan 15, 2021 13:46:28 GMT
Agreed, but think TfL is currently more revenue focused than it has been for a long, long time. Whilst the decision by those travelling into London will be unpopular, it will be popular with albeit a smaller number, travelling in the opposite direction. With regard to revenue, it is trying to establish whether revenue gained by people paying more, out ways the costs of fares from lost custom. Not condoning rezoning the station or keeping status quo in this post. I think we need to up the fares a tiny bit, but not a lot. To public transport more of an interesting option we need to invest more in it. The way you do that is obviously put more money into the system but not only that - into bus lanes and priority and getting rid of Low Traffic Neighborhoods and start making the roads more efficient. With the amount of job losses, I can see a move over to public transport But TfL is broke, they need to get money coming in before they can invest. A tiny bit of revenue increase, represent a tiny amount of investment. Totally with you on LTNs though ... do nothing but create traffic tenfold! |
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Post by greenboy on Jan 15, 2021 14:22:57 GMT
Agreed, but think TfL is currently more revenue focused than it has been for a long, long time. Whilst the decision by those travelling into London will be unpopular, it will be popular with albeit a smaller number, travelling in the opposite direction. With regard to revenue, it is trying to establish whether revenue gained by people paying more, out ways the costs of fares from lost custom. Not condoning rezoning the station or keeping status quo in this post. I think we need to up the fares a tiny bit, but not a lot. To public transport more of an interesting option we need to invest more in it. The way you do that is obviously put more money into the system but not only that - into bus lanes and priority and getting rid of Low Traffic Neighborhoods and start making the roads more efficient. With the amount of job losses, I can see a move over to public transport LTNs aren't going away and how much scope is there for more bus priorities? There's not much of a case for them all the time buses are crawling along empty roads. |
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Post by TB123 on Jan 15, 2021 14:25:43 GMT
I think we need to up the fares a tiny bit, but not a lot. To public transport more of an interesting option we need to invest more in it. The way you do that is obviously put more money into the system but not only that - into bus lanes and priority and getting rid of Low Traffic Neighborhoods and start making the roads more efficient. With the amount of job losses, I can see a move over to public transport LTNs aren't going away and how much scope is there for more bus priorities? There's not much of a case for them all the time buses are crawling along empty roads. If we had more bus priority we wouldn't have buses crawling along as we'd have much more consistent and faster journey times. Buses crawling along empty roads in the current circumstances is only temporary. It'll quickly change as restrictions ease. |
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Post by greenboy on Jan 15, 2021 14:31:01 GMT
LTNs aren't going away and how much scope is there for more bus priorities? There's not much of a case for them all the time buses are crawling along empty roads. If we had more bus priority we wouldn't have buses crawling along as we'd have much more consistent and faster journey times. Buses crawling along empty roads in the current circumstances is only temporary. It'll quickly change as restrictions ease. Buses were crawling along empty roads long before covid, there have been numerous complaints about it on here. |
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 15, 2021 14:33:35 GMT
I think we need to up the fares a tiny bit, but not a lot. To public transport more of an interesting option we need to invest more in it. The way you do that is obviously put more money into the system but not only that - into bus lanes and priority and getting rid of Low Traffic Neighborhoods and start making the roads more efficient. With the amount of job losses, I can see a move over to public transport LTNs aren't going away and how much scope is there for more bus priorities? There's not much of a case for them all the time buses are crawling along empty roads. We have a judicial review going on as to the implementation in Croydon, hoping the way these have been haphazardly planned will see them go away. |
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Post by TB123 on Jan 15, 2021 14:33:51 GMT
If we had more bus priority we wouldn't have buses crawling along as we'd have much more consistent and faster journey times. Buses crawling along empty roads in the current circumstances is only temporary. It'll quickly change as restrictions ease. Buses were crawling along empty roads long before covid, there have been numerous complaints about it on here. Yes....because we haven't got enough bus priority to allow for consistent journey times. If we did, resource could be taken out or recycled into better frequencies and journeys could be quicker. |
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Post by greenboy on Jan 15, 2021 14:40:49 GMT
Buses were crawling along empty roads long before covid, there have been numerous complaints about it on here. Yes....because we haven't got enough bus priority to allow for consistent journey times. If we did, resource could be taken out or recycled into better frequencies and journeys could be quicker. Even in the early hours of morning it's not uncommon to see buses crawling along, more bus priority measures will help in some locations but they're by no means utopia. |
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Post by greenboy on Jan 15, 2021 14:43:41 GMT
LTNs aren't going away and how much scope is there for more bus priorities? There's not much of a case for them all the time buses are crawling along empty roads. We have a judicial review going on as to the implementation in Croydon, hoping the way these have been haphazardly planned will see them go away. I agree that some of them are a bit haphazard but it's early days. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 15, 2021 15:09:56 GMT
I think we need to up the fares a tiny bit, but not a lot. To public transport more of an interesting option we need to invest more in it. The way you do that is obviously put more money into the system but not only that - into bus lanes and priority and getting rid of Low Traffic Neighborhoods and start making the roads more efficient. With the amount of job losses, I can see a move over to public transport LTNs aren't going away and how much scope is there for more bus priorities? There's not much of a case for them all the time buses are crawling along empty roads. Well I'm sure roads like the north circular could do with bus priority. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 15, 2021 16:02:55 GMT
I think we need to up the fares a tiny bit, but not a lot. To public transport more of an interesting option we need to invest more in it. The way you do that is obviously put more money into the system but not only that - into bus lanes and priority and getting rid of Low Traffic Neighborhoods and start making the roads more efficient. With the amount of job losses, I can see a move over to public transport LTNs aren't going away and how much scope is there for more bus priorities? There's not much of a case for them all the time buses are crawling along empty roads. Wandsworth & Hackney have or are in the process of removing them so the sweeping statemnt that LTN's aren't going away is incorrect. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 15, 2021 16:03:54 GMT
We have a judicial review going on as to the implementation in Croydon, hoping the way these have been haphazardly planned will see them go away. I agree that some of them are a bit haphazard but it's early days. Do you have any in your local area out of interest? |
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