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Post by COBO on Jul 14, 2020 15:59:02 GMT
N27: withdrawn between Kensington High Street and Hammersmith. Diverted to Chelsea World End via route 328 to Chelsea World End (maybe further via N31 to Clapham Junction). To resore links lost by route N31. N28: Withdrawn between Kilburn High Road and Camden Town. Diverted to Golders Green via route 328 to Golders Green. To link Wandsworth and Golders Green at night. N31: withdrawn between Notting Hill Gate and Clapham Junction. Diverted to White City via route 31 to White City. To provide a night service between Camden Town and White City. If im honest, don’t think there is need for an N31 at Shepherd’s Bush, it’s just down the road and you already have the 94 and 148. It could get a lot of night links, but with the 1hour fare thingy and with no traffic at night, shouldn’t be an issue. I do agree with the N28 going to Golders Green, i think the N28 and N31 is a bit extra. I would restructure the N31 and renumber it as N328 between Clapham and then to Golders Green from Notting Hill via the 328. Then have the N28 just continue to Camden and the 31 as a daily route. I kinda disagree I think that Camden could do with a link to Shepherds Bush and White City. Yes the N28 and N31 is extra.
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Post by Trafalgax on Jul 14, 2020 16:15:06 GMT
N27: withdrawn between Kensington High Street and Hammersmith. Diverted to Chelsea World End via route 328 to Chelsea World End (maybe further via N31 to Clapham Junction). To resore links lost by route N31. N28: Withdrawn between Kilburn High Road and Camden Town. Diverted to Golders Green via route 328 to Golders Green. To link Wandsworth and Golders Green at night. N31: withdrawn between Notting Hill Gate and Clapham Junction. Diverted to White City via route 31 to White City. To provide a night service between Camden Town and White City. You might as well make the 31 a 24 hours service if you wanna do that since your n31 is the same as the day one
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 14, 2020 17:27:27 GMT
If im honest, don’t think there is need for an N31 at Shepherd’s Bush, it’s just down the road and you already have the 94 and 148. It could get a lot of night links, but with the 1hour fare thingy and with no traffic at night, shouldn’t be an issue. I do agree with the N28 going to Golders Green, i think the N28 and N31 is a bit extra. I would restructure the N31 and renumber it as N328 between Clapham and then to Golders Green from Notting Hill via the 328. Then have the N28 just continue to Camden and the 31 as a daily route. I kinda disagree I think that Camden could do with a link to Shepherds Bush and White City. Yes the N28 and N31 is extra. Camden Town has three links to Notting Hill Gate at night (N27, N28, N31) and from the latter two routes at least, there's little to no interchange for night routes towards Shepherd's Bush. Given there are 10bph combined to Shepherd's Bush from Notting Hill Gate, I'd say there's no need for a night variant to cover that leg of the 31. There is some scope for the N28 idea though. Now that both the N28 and N31 have been increased from 1bph to 2bph separately, 4bph does seem excessive by both night routes towards Camden. Problem is the extended 139 to Golders Green already provides a night-time cover over most of the proposed N28 routing, so effectively would swap out a route due to overcrowding a corridor to just have the same superfluous problem along West Hamsptead.
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Post by greg on Jul 14, 2020 19:38:55 GMT
I kinda disagree I think that Camden could do with a link to Shepherds Bush and White City. Yes the N28 and N31 is extra. Camden Town has three links to Notting Hill Gate at night (N27, N28, N31) and from the latter two routes at least, there's little to no interchange for night routes towards Shepherd's Bush. Given there are 10bph combined to Shepherd's Bush from Notting Hill Gate, I'd say there's no need for a night variant to cover that leg of the 31. There is some scope for the N28 idea though. Now that both the N28 and N31 have been increased from 1bph to 2bph separately, 4bph does seem excessive by both night routes towards Camden. Problem is the extended 139 to Golders Green already provides a night-time cover over most of the proposed N28 routing, so effectively would swap out a route due to overcrowding a corridor to just have the same superfluous problem along West Hamsptead. The only thing I can thing off, is reducing the N139’s frequency. The whole route is duplicated by other night routes already, so wouldn’t be of too much harm. The 189 follows between Abbey Road and Portman Square, and you have the N2, N74, 13 and N113 which join along the way, and then you have the 94, 159 and etc all the way to Waterloo.
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 15, 2020 17:53:10 GMT
Camden Town has three links to Notting Hill Gate at night (N27, N28, N31) and from the latter two routes at least, there's little to no interchange for night routes towards Shepherd's Bush. Given there are 10bph combined to Shepherd's Bush from Notting Hill Gate, I'd say there's no need for a night variant to cover that leg of the 31. There is some scope for the N28 idea though. Now that both the N28 and N31 have been increased from 1bph to 2bph separately, 4bph does seem excessive by both night routes towards Camden. Problem is the extended 139 to Golders Green already provides a night-time cover over most of the proposed N28 routing, so effectively would swap out a route due to overcrowding a corridor to just have the same superfluous problem along West Hamsptead. The only thing I can thing off, is reducing the N139’s frequency. The whole route is duplicated by other night routes already, so wouldn’t be of too much harm. The 189 follows between Abbey Road and Portman Square, and you have the N2, N74, 13 and N113 which join along the way, and then you have the 94, 159 and etc all the way to Waterloo. The 139N is every 30 minutes at night, reduce it further and you'd have an ugly, unattractive hourly service that most people [in central London] won't use. And as you say, south of Abbey Road there's plenty of alternatives to the 139. Despite having partial knowledge of night trends in the Westbourne Park area with a couple friends living there, I'm trying to work out in my head whether a night link to Golders Green justifies removing any one of the N28/N31 from Camden; and it's an unfortunate no. If you were to force my hand though into savings mode, I would make the 328 24 hours and keep the N28 as it is. If the loss of a Clapham Junction link is that sorely missed from patrons, then simply extend it eastbound from Wandsworth.
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Post by greg on Jul 16, 2020 9:56:08 GMT
The only thing I can thing off, is reducing the N139’s frequency. The whole route is duplicated by other night routes already, so wouldn’t be of too much harm. The 189 follows between Abbey Road and Portman Square, and you have the N2, N74, 13 and N113 which join along the way, and then you have the 94, 159 and etc all the way to Waterloo. The 139N is every 30 minutes at night, reduce it further and you'd have an ugly, unattractive hourly service that most people [in central London] won't use. And as you say, south of Abbey Road there's plenty of alternatives to the 139. Despite having partial knowledge of night trends in the Westbourne Park area with a couple friends living there, I'm trying to work out in my head whether a night link to Golders Green justifies removing any one of the N28/N31 from Camden; and it's an unfortunate no. If you were to force my hand though into savings mode, I would make the 328 24 hours and keep the N28 as it is. If the loss of a Clapham Junction link is that sorely missed from patrons, then simply extend it eastbound from Wandsworth. Yes true, Chelsea is only a few stops from Clapham anyways.
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Post by COBO on Aug 23, 2020 21:18:55 GMT
N228: Running between Shepherds Bush and Ruislip via Shepherds Bush Green, Uxbridge Road, Ariel Way, Shepherds Bush Stations, route 228 to White City Station, route 72 to Old Oak Common Lane, route 228 to Central Middlesex Hospital, route 440 to North Acton, route 487 to Alperton, Manor Farm Road, Bilton Road, Horsenden Lane South, Perivale Station, Teignmouth Gardens, Arygle Road, Western Avenue, South Greenford Station, Greenford Roundabout, Greenford Road, Rockware Avenue, route 395 to Eastcote Lane, Field End Road, Victoria Road, Long Drive, South Ruislip Station, Station Approach, West End Road and route E7 to Ruislip Station. To provide the West Ruislip branch of the Central Line with a night service.
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Post by greg on Aug 24, 2020 13:07:24 GMT
Even though the 94 is a 24 hour service, I think it should get a separate night service going even further. An N94 between Liverpool Street and East Acton via: 8 between Liverpool Street and Tottenham Court Road N207 between Tottenham Court Road and Shepherd’s Bush N72 to East Acton
If the N94 ever happened, I think the N207 should be cut to Marble Arch or rerouted from Oxford Circus to Piccadilly Circus. To replace the 94 between Shepherd’s Bush and Acton Green, I’d reroute the N72 to Acton Green instead from Shepherd’s Bush or even make a new N148 to Acton Green via the 94 and then the normal day route.
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Post by aaron1 on Aug 24, 2020 15:10:40 GMT
Even though the 94 is a 24 hour service, I think it should get a separate night service going even further. An N94 between Liverpool Street and East Acton via: 8 between Liverpool Street and Tottenham Court Road N207 between Tottenham Court Road and Shepherd’s Bush N72 to East Acton If the N94 ever happened, I think the N207 should be cut to Marble Arch or rerouted from Oxford Circus to Piccadilly Circus. To replace the 94 between Shepherd’s Bush and Acton Green, I’d reroute the N72 to Acton Green instead from Shepherd’s Bush or even make a new N148 to Acton Green via the 94 and then the normal day route. My N94 will be Will be Piccadilly Circus to Hounslow West via day 94 to Acton Green then via H91 this give Ostery Syon Lane a night link I know this may mirror the N9 but we could give it a go
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Post by DOE27 on Sept 1, 2020 17:53:46 GMT
Don’t know whether it’s already been said, but 100% the X26. Even though Heathrow doesn’t operate overnight, the route would definitely come in handy during the night for journeys through Kingston, Sutton and Croydon and give versa.
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Post by bn12cny on Sept 9, 2020 14:16:40 GMT
N533 because you can’t get to Hammersmith even walking from main areas of Barnes unless you walk to Barnes Station through the common to catch the N33/N72 or walk to Barnes Red Lion for N22 and change at Putney this is a long walk if you are coming from Hammersmith Bridge Side of Castelnau, furthermore maybe extend the N533 to Sands End Sainsburys via current route 306? This will link up North End Road and Surrounding roads to a direct route to Hammersmith rather than either walking to Fulham Broadway or Wandsworth Bridge Road, was thinking to extend from Sands End to Clapham Junction - any suggestions?
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Post by COBO on Sept 9, 2020 16:07:56 GMT
N533 because you can’t get to Hammersmith even walking from main areas of Barnes unless you walk to Barnes Station through the common to catch the N33/N72 or walk to Barnes Red Lion for N22 and change at Putney this is a long walk if you are coming from Hammersmith Bridge Side of Castelnau, furthermore maybe extend the N533 to Sands End Sainsburys via current route 306? This will link up North End Road and Surrounding roads to a direct route to Hammersmith rather than either walking to Fulham Broadway or Wandsworth Bridge Road, was thinking to extend from Sands End to Clapham Junction - any suggestions? The previous incarnation of the 533 used run all night. This when they would close Hammersmith Bridge preparing it to be strengthened which of course hasn’t happened yet.
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Post by abz91 on Sept 9, 2020 16:34:42 GMT
Route needs 24hrs 123 Ilford To Wood Green it’s busy most of the night Make it Full 24Hrs Route
145 Leytonstone to Dagenham ASDA 24hrs Route there is no 24hr Link Dagenham and Night worker’s At Asda need Transport over Night
174 Make it 24hrs Route some parts Dagenham Marsh way area
Scrap N86
Replace with 174hrs
New N86 Romford Station to Aldgate [br
]Another New Night Service Chingford Station make 97hrs Route
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Post by greg on Sept 9, 2020 17:20:25 GMT
I think a N46 should happen between King’s Cross and Swiss Cottage only and then possibly to Kilburn Park Station via the N31 linking many neighbourhoods which should get a night service and then of course King’s Cross.
This will give Hampstead, Kentish Town West a night service and more support on the 214 on Crowndale Road.
The 46 between Swiss Cottage and Lancaster Gate defo does not need a N46 whereas Kilburn could have one instead via Finchley Road towards Kilburn and Belsize Road towards Kings Cross like the 31 does already
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 19:06:38 GMT
Route needs 24hrs 123 Ilford To Wood Green it’s busy most of the night Make it Full 24Hrs Route 145 Leytonstone to Dagenham ASDA 24hrs Route there is no 24hr Link Dagenham and Night worker’s At Asda need Transport over Night 174 Make it 24hrs Route some parts Dagenham Marsh way area Scrap N86 Replace with 174hrs New N86 Romford Station to Aldgate [br ]Another New Night Service Chingford Station make 97hrs Route I am always amazed how much Dagenham comes up when it comes to night buses.
Not really sure you can justify a night bus all night for Asda shift workers, I would assume they start late evening when the 145 is still running and finish around the time buses resume in the morning.
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