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Post by M1104 on Dec 6, 2020 12:50:20 GMT
In fairness the district line doesn't run at night and the 154 effectively restored some night service to Carshalton and Wallington. True but there's still the Martin Way element, unless alternatively introduce the N154 and extend beyond Morden via the 164 to Wimbledon.
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Post by ronnie on Dec 6, 2020 13:16:56 GMT
Likewise it's impossible to travel from Crystal Palace to Woolwich or Lewisham without a similar change using an N63 to Old Kent Road, then an N53, or N21 respectively. I would make an N122 running all the way to Plumstead then picking up the 301 to Bexleyheath. Journey time of around an hour and just under 20 miles, so not even close to being the longest night route by time nor distance. Very reasonable. I think the way TfL arrange night buses is for people to travel home from their gigs in Central London, most other trips are catered for 24 hour routes. Every single N prefix route I can think of runs from the inside towards the outside of London. TfL probably aren't paying much attention to Crystal Palace due to the presence of the N3. I do like the N122 idea, however you already have the 472N down Nathan Way so I don't see TfL being particularly keen on that. Abbey Wood has the N1 while Bexleyheath has the N21 so sadly I don't see the N122 being likely anytime soon. The N86, N250, N266, N140, N83 are a few which buck the trend of starting in central London
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 6, 2020 13:18:39 GMT
I think the way TfL arrange night buses is for people to travel home from their gigs in Central London, most other trips are catered for 24 hour routes. Every single N prefix route I can think of runs from the inside towards the outside of London. TfL probably aren't paying much attention to Crystal Palace due to the presence of the N3. I do like the N122 idea, however you already have the 472N down Nathan Way so I don't see TfL being particularly keen on that. Abbey Wood has the N1 while Bexleyheath has the N21 so sadly I don't see the N122 being likely anytime soon. The N86, N250, N266, N140, N83 are a few which buck the trend of starting in central London The N86 and N250 still however meet the trend going from Inner to Outer London, also noteworthy that the N266, N140 and N83 (alongside the N250) were 24 hour routes before TfL cut their respective day counterparts.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 6, 2020 13:22:43 GMT
I think the way TfL arrange night buses is for people to travel home from their gigs in Central London, most other trips are catered for 24 hour routes. Every single N prefix route I can think of runs from the inside towards the outside of London. TfL probably aren't paying much attention to Crystal Palace due to the presence of the N3. I do like the N122 idea, however you already have the 472N down Nathan Way so I don't see TfL being particularly keen on that. Abbey Wood has the N1 while Bexleyheath has the N21 so sadly I don't see the N122 being likely anytime soon. The N86, N250, N266, N140, N83 are a few which buck the trend of starting in central London The irony is four of those were only created following their daytime route being cut back and I’m not sure if Eastlondoner62 was referring to Central London or Inner London as then only the N140 applies if it’s the latter.
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Post by ronnie on Dec 6, 2020 13:33:58 GMT
The N86, N250, N266, N140, N83 are a few which buck the trend of starting in central London The N86 and N250 still however meet the trend going from Inner to Outer London, also noteworthy that the N266, N140 and N83 (alongside the N250) were 24 hour routes before TfL cut their respective day counterparts. Fair enough. I was thinking more in terms of routes starting in zone 1
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Post by ronnie on Dec 6, 2020 13:35:21 GMT
The N86, N250, N266, N140, N83 are a few which buck the trend of starting in central London The irony is four of those were only created following their daytime route being cut back and I’m not sure if Eastlondoner62 was referring to Central London or Inner London as then only the N140 applies if it’s the latter. True. Some made sense as the daytime routes arguably were long and difficult to run. 250 was a bit of a non-sensical one but anyway
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Post by rift on Dec 6, 2020 15:29:19 GMT
The N86, N250, N266, N140, N83 are a few which buck the trend of starting in central London The N86 and N250 still however meet the trend going from Inner to Outer London, also noteworthy that the N266, N140 and N83 (alongside the N250) were 24 hour routes before TfL cut their respective day counterparts. Newham is classified as Outer London.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 6, 2020 15:53:08 GMT
The N86 and N250 still however meet the trend going from Inner to Outer London, also noteworthy that the N266, N140 and N83 (alongside the N250) were 24 hour routes before TfL cut their respective day counterparts. Newham is classified as Outer London. Arguable, for statistics it's classified as inner London so is likely to be referred to as inner London by planners at TfL towers when they look at bus flow too. Stratford (where the N86 starts) is also in Zone 2 and sits a lot closer to Central London than it does to the M25.
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Post by enviroPB on Dec 6, 2020 17:01:23 GMT
The N86 and N250 still however meet the trend going from Inner to Outer London, also noteworthy that the N266, N140 and N83 (alongside the N250) were 24 hour routes before TfL cut their respective day counterparts. Newham is classified as Outer London. This cropped up in a group chat with my mates a fortnight ago! Technically anything that's within the North and South Circular is classed as inner London and the rest is Outer London. It does disproportionately affect south and south-west London but there you go. If you're not too fussed with reading this stuff online, Youtuber Jay Foreman's video breaks down the history of how boroughs were devised in the 60s.
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 6, 2020 17:22:29 GMT
Newham is classified as Outer London. This cropped up in a group chat with my mates a fortnight ago! Technically anything that's within the North and South Circular is classed as inner London and the rest is Outer London. It does disproportionately affect south and south-west London but there you go. If you're not too fussed with reading this stuff online, Youtuber Jay Foreman's video breaks down the history of how boroughs were devised in the 60s. I linked to a similar written article a few weeks back in the "Off Route" section, outlining how the original proposal for Greater London was for 52 boroughs, and included some areas which in the event were not incorporated into the new County. Indeed of the proposed boroughs only nine were introduced more-or-less as originally planned. Harrow was unique in that it was the only London Borough in 1965 whose boundaries were exactly the same as the preceding local authority (they have since changed slightly). tangytango.proboards.com/thread/11689/52-london-boroughs
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Post by 6HP502C on Dec 7, 2020 0:21:53 GMT
Currently, it is impossible to travel to/from Bexleyheath and Abbey Wood/Woolwich (and surrounding areas) between 1am and 5am. Unless you are willing to pay for a taxi or have the time to use the N1/53 up to Deptford/Blackheath and change for a bus to Bexleyheath. I would like to see either the 301, 401 or 229 become a 24hr route/have a night counterpart. 301 would be the most logical choice. If Crossrail were to operate for 24hrs, this night link would definitely be needed. Likewise it's impossible to travel from Crystal Palace to Woolwich or Lewisham without a similar change using an N63 to Old Kent Road, then an N53, or N21 respectively. I would make an N122 running all the way to Plumstead then picking up the 301 to Bexleyheath. Journey time of around an hour and just under 20 miles, so not even close to being the longest night route by time nor distance. Very reasonable. How many people want to travel from Crystal Palace to Woolwich at night?
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Post by 6HP502C on Dec 7, 2020 0:30:28 GMT
Still guts me the 75 is no longer 24hr, especially as it was just 5 or 6 journeys each way. I don't know why it was withdrawn? It always seemed reasonably well used when I saw it. A cheaper option would be to reroute the N47 to Croydon. It was withdrawn due to low usage, with some of the resource saved put into enhancing the evening frequency. The 75 (and 157 for that matter) run later than most routes and the very last trips aren't heavily patronised.
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 7, 2020 0:44:08 GMT
I don't know why it was withdrawn? It always seemed reasonably well used when I saw it. A cheaper option would be to reroute the N47 to Croydon. It was withdrawn due to low usage, with some of the resource saved put into enhancing the evening frequency. The 75 (and 157 for that matter) run later than most routes and the very last trips aren't heavily patronised. Must admit, not been on the last few journeys for most of this year, but when I did, had a good few on them
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Post by COBO on Apr 4, 2021 14:58:03 GMT
If the night tube is discontinued what weekend night bus service do you think that could continue to run without it?
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 4, 2021 15:16:11 GMT
The 154 id say due to the large section between Sutton and Croydon currently nightbusless.
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