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Post by wirewiper on Aug 28, 2023 9:11:31 GMT
Exactly. Also the late / shift argument is pretty weak and night worker / late shifts usually start before the last bus and finish after buses have started running in the morning.
I am repeating what I said in the past but if someone takes a job it's their responsibility to decide if they can can get to work each day. Everywhere can't be linked by one bus 247.
I disagree. Some people start work at 6am meaning that they only have the choice of night bus or taxi. I know which one I'd choose based on costs. I think even one or two people on here take night buses to work. With poor night services living in London would be unattractive to many people To use your own example of living in Golders Green and working in Willesden - the first 260 leaves Golders Green at 05.05 every day including Sundays so gets to Willesden well before 06.00. Even if they live further up Finchley Road, the first 460 comes through Henley's Corner at 05.27 every day. |
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 28, 2023 9:12:05 GMT
Exactly. Also the late / shift argument is pretty weak and night worker / late shifts usually start before the last bus and finish after buses have started running in the morning.
I am repeating what I said in the past but if someone takes a job it's their responsibility to decide if they can can get to work each day. Everywhere can't be linked by one bus 247.
I disagree. Some people start work at 6am meaning that they only have the choice of night bus or taxi. I know which one I'd choose based on costs. I think even one or two people on here take night buses to work. With poor night services living in London would be unattractive to many people So what… if people choose to work at night that is their choice some day services start as early as 4:00am. Some routes do not need a night service. The majority of workers do 9-5. Those who have to get up at night to go to work use Night buses or other forms of transportation. If that is the case let’s make the R11 24 Hour and carry duppies around all night… Using the 6 52 or N98 is not time consuming it’s called travelling and using your initiative at night. Last Year November-December my car was off the road well how was I getting home at very late at night well. If I finished before 00:30am I could get the 00:45 432 from Ernest Avenue to Crystal Palace then the last 202 at 0100 to get home. Anytime after that 2 options for me N68 & N171 or Hire a Zip Car Flex which is way quicker than using the Night Bus. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 28, 2023 9:14:00 GMT
I totally agree. The cost of running a half hourly night service is high with very little recovered in fares outside of Friday/Saturday nights. Finances/ridership aside, I think it would be a great shame if we lost some of our night routes. Even if people don't use them that much, they serve the purpose of ferrying people from A to B. There's also the fact that some people might lose their only night route. Says who? None are under threat. Your looking at creating every specific link at night that one person might want to make. Golders Green still has the 13, 102, 139, N83 and Willesden the 6, 52, 297, N98, N266. There are plenty of travel options. |
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 28, 2023 9:15:52 GMT
Most buses have started well before 6am and most night buses are finishing / finished before 6am. Cost has nothing to do with it! If someone uses two buses its the same cost with the hopper fare if within the hour. Poor night service in London? I would hardly call it poor.
I meant the difference between bus and taxi cost. It's different if the company is paying for their taxi fees though. Several areas in London do not have a night route. In my area, Hillingdon, Ickenham, Ruislip, Ruislip Manor, Eastcote, Rayners Lane, South Ruislip, Pinner, North Harrow, Northwood and Northwood Hills do not have a night route. No company will pay your travel fees unless it is is the contract. Seriously what are you trying to achieve here other than as usual making suggestions to routes you have no idea about. If people choose to work night that’s their choice. Plenty of ways to get from A 2 B at night. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 28, 2023 9:16:31 GMT
Finances/ridership aside, I think it would be a great shame if we lost some of our night routes. Even if people don't use them that much, they serve the purpose of ferrying people from A to B. There's also the fact that some people might lose their only night route. Says who? None are under threat. Your looking at creating every specific link at night that one person might want to make. Golders Green still has the 13, 102, 139, N83 and Willesden the 6, 52, 297, N98, N266. There are plenty of travel options. I don't believe that there are any night routes between Brent Cross and Golders Green though. So even if they took the N266 they wouldn't be able to get to Golders Green |
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Post by TB123 on Aug 28, 2023 9:17:33 GMT
I meant the difference between bus and taxi cost. It's different if the company is paying for their taxi fees though. Several areas in London do not have a night route. In my area, Hillingdon, Ickenham, Ruislip, Ruislip Manor, Eastcote, Rayners Lane, South Ruislip, Pinner, North Harrow, Northwood and Northwood Hills do not have a night route. No company will pay your travel fees unless it is is the contract. Seriously what are you trying to achieve here other than as usual making suggestions to routes you have no idea about. If people choose to work night that’s their choice. Plenty of ways to get from A 2 B at night. Better still, just buy a bike for night trips if they are just within suburban London... Roads are quiet(er), plenty of fresh air, bit of exercise, quicker than messing about with changing buses, cheaper than a car... |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 28, 2023 9:18:17 GMT
I meant the difference between bus and taxi cost. It's different if the company is paying for their taxi fees though. Several areas in London do not have a night route. In my area, Hillingdon, Ickenham, Ruislip, Ruislip Manor, Eastcote, Rayners Lane, South Ruislip, Pinner, North Harrow, Northwood and Northwood Hills do not have a night route. No company will pay your travel fees unless it is is the contract. Seriously what are you trying to achieve here other than as usual making suggestions to routes you have no idea about. If people choose to work night that’s their choice. Plenty of ways to get from A 2 B at night. I'm trying to make people understand that some areas in London have inadequate night services. However people do not seem to listen to me. I don't see why the 260 shouldn't be a 24 hour service. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 28, 2023 9:18:58 GMT
No company will pay your travel fees unless it is is the contract. Seriously what are you trying to achieve here other than as usual making suggestions to routes you have no idea about. If people choose to work night that’s their choice. Plenty of ways to get from A 2 B at night. Better still, just buy a bike for night trips if they are just within suburban London... Roads are quiet(er), plenty of fresh air, bit of exercise, quicker than messing about with changing buses, cheaper than a car... That's what I do to get home from work. However it isn't practical in extremely cold temperatures or heavy rain. So sometimes the night bus is an option |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 28, 2023 9:21:12 GMT
No company will pay your travel fees unless it is is the contract. Seriously what are you trying to achieve here other than as usual making suggestions to routes you have no idea about. If people choose to work night that’s their choice. Plenty of ways to get from A 2 B at night. I'm trying to make people understand that some areas in London have inadequate night services. However people do not seem to listen to me. I don't see why the 260 shouldn't be a 24 hour service. Are you paying for the night service? |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 28, 2023 9:22:51 GMT
I'm trying to make people understand that some areas in London have inadequate night services. However people do not seem to listen to me. I don't see why the 260 shouldn't be a 24 hour service. Are you paying for the night service? No but it's only one extra night route on our streets. I think it will do people more good than bad. |
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 28, 2023 9:25:47 GMT
Are you paying for the night service? No but it's only one extra night route on our streets. I think it will do people more good than bad. Until you suggest 10 more… I think the R5/R10 should be 24 it has low ridership during the day but will be much better used at night |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 28, 2023 9:27:09 GMT
No but it's only one extra night route on our streets. I think it will do people more good than bad. Until you suggest 10 more… I think the R5/R10 should be 24 it has low ridership during the day but will be much better used at night There's a big difference between the 260 and the R5/R10. The 260 has a much higher frequency and therefore carries more passengers. There wouldn't be anywhere near as much demand in the Cudham and Knockholt areas to get to Orpington at night as opposed to doing cross 260 journeys at night |
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Post by routew15 on Aug 28, 2023 9:29:01 GMT
Exactly. Also the late / shift argument is pretty weak and night worker / late shifts usually start before the last bus and finish after buses have started running in the morning.
I am repeating what I said in the past but if someone takes a job it's their responsibility to decide if they can can get to work each day. Everywhere can't be linked by one bus 247.
Personally I think there would be more demand for a rail replacement service on Sunday mornings from Clapham Junction /Richmond to Stratford. First trains don’t start until 9-9:30 and this is due to maintenance work taking place on Saturday evenings into the mornings because freight uses the North London Line at night due to the number of London Overground trains now running throughout the day. I reckon that would have a far better business case to introduce, particularly when Old Oak Common gets its feet off the ground. I don’t know if it would need to go as far as Richmond but I think a weekend night bus following the overground from Stratford to Camden Road could be quite well used. There are quite a few weekend night hotspots along the way (Camden, Dalston, Hackney Wick and Stratford) that could generate demand. It would also link to the night tube at 5 night tube lines (Northern, Piccadilly, Victoria Central and Jubilee) |
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 28, 2023 9:30:20 GMT
Until you suggest 10 more… I think the R5/R10 should be 24 it has low ridership during the day but will be much better used at night There's a big difference between the 260 and the R5/R10. The 260 has a much higher frequency and therefore carries more passengers. There wouldn't be anywhere near as much demand in the Cudham and Knockholt areas to get to Orpington at night as opposed to doing cross 260 journeys at night I was being sarcastic… |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 28, 2023 9:35:28 GMT
There's a big difference between the 260 and the R5/R10. The 260 has a much higher frequency and therefore carries more passengers. There wouldn't be anywhere near as much demand in the Cudham and Knockholt areas to get to Orpington at night as opposed to doing cross 260 journeys at night I was being sarcastic… I know. But I sill replied with a serious response. |
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