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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 28, 2023 9:36:15 GMT
Says who? None are under threat. Your looking at creating every specific link at night that one person might want to make. Golders Green still has the 13, 102, 139, N83 and Willesden the 6, 52, 297, N98, N266. There are plenty of travel options. I don't believe that there are any night routes between Brent Cross and Golders Green though. So even if they took the N266 they wouldn't be able to get to Golders Green Because locals objected to the 102 at night that's why there isn't. |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 28, 2023 9:36:20 GMT
No company will pay your travel fees unless it is is the contract. Seriously what are you trying to achieve here other than as usual making suggestions to routes you have no idea about. If people choose to work night that’s their choice. Plenty of ways to get from A 2 B at night. I'm trying to make people understand that some areas in London have inadequate night services. However people do not seem to listen to me. I don't see why the 260 shouldn't be a 24 hour service. I'm not arguing with you about inadequate night services, but I am questioning the 260 when there are more deserving (IMO) candidates. In the Golders Green area the one that screams out to me is the 183. Maybe a 24-hour service will be part of the wider changes associated with the introduction of SL10? |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 28, 2023 9:37:40 GMT
I'm trying to make people understand that some areas in London have inadequate night services. However people do not seem to listen to me. I don't see why the 260 shouldn't be a 24 hour service. I'm not arguing with you about inadequate night services, but I am questioning the 260 when there are more deserving (IMO) candidates. In the Golders Green area the one that screams out to me is the 183. Maybe a 24-hour service will be part of the wider changes associated with the introduction of SL10? It did have a night service prior to Covid so yes I think that that is worth looking into |
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 28, 2023 9:50:30 GMT
I'm trying to make people understand that some areas in London have inadequate night services. However people do not seem to listen to me. I don't see why the 260 shouldn't be a 24 hour service. I'm not arguing with you about inadequate night services, but I am questioning the 260 when there are more deserving (IMO) candidates. In the Golders Green area the one that screams out to me is the 183. Maybe a 24-hour service will be part of the wider changes associated with the introduction of SL10? The most recent in South East London is the 486 which was a good move. QEH is served by a 24 Hours a day now. All other Night services in Woolwich do not serve it the N53 is closest but a long walk. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 28, 2023 9:58:24 GMT
I'm not arguing with you about inadequate night services, but I am questioning the 260 when there are more deserving (IMO) candidates. In the Golders Green area the one that screams out to me is the 183. Maybe a 24-hour service will be part of the wider changes associated with the introduction of SL10? The most recent in South East London is the 486 which was a good move. QEH is served by a 24 Hour a day now. All other Night services in Woolwich do not serve it the N53 is closest but a long walk. the same can be said about Willesden and the 260 gaining a night service as it currently doesn't have a night route to Central Middlesex Hospital |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 28, 2023 10:01:05 GMT
Are you paying for the night service? No but it's only one extra night route on our streets. I think it will do people more good than bad. TfL have the figures and projected figures. If they can afford to pay tube drivers 70K a year to sit in cabs doing nothing then they can afford the best data analysts. Any work that requires shift patterns often has relative provisions. Not everyone can have a night route passing their doorstep and it is a poor use of resources to do so. Whether a route runs every hour in the night or every 5 minutes in the night you've now got to pay for a team to run the service overnight. You want the 260, now what about the 262? That route goes from Stratford to Gallions Reach and will do a lot of good linking the Plaistow area to the shift workers at Beckton Tesco and Beckton DLR depot. Then we get onto the 75, that used to have a night service, why not again? Before you know it then every route will have its own justification. The night network certainly could do with improvements but picking routes out of a hat is not the way to go about it. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 28, 2023 10:01:27 GMT
The most recent in South East London is the 486 which was a good move. QEH is served by a 24 Hour a day now. All other Night services in Woolwich do not serve it the N53 is closest but a long walk. the same can be said about Willesden and the 260 gaining a night service as it currently doesn't have a night route to Central Middlesex Hospital Because CMH doesn't have an A&E department, unlike QEH which does. |
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 28, 2023 10:34:44 GMT
That doesn’t make any sense… Use a Taxi or take 6 52 & N98 to Central London and use the 13. Or any other services that take you there. A lot of major towns have a least 1 night service. Exactly. Also the late / shift argument is pretty weak and night worker / late shifts usually start before the last bus and finish after buses have started running in the morning.
I am repeating what I said in the past but if someone takes a job it's their responsibility to decide if they can can get to work each day. Everywhere can't be linked by one bus 247.
In fairness that is a big generalisation. Take Royal Mail. Staff working at their mail distributions centre, Beddington cover SE, SM, BR & CR post code, Kingston SW, KT, plus I suspect some others, on out-going mail finish shifts at 2 am. They have to get 1st class mail and timed deliveries out by 22:30 at latest and 2nd class out by 02:00. Incoming mail is not so bad, as that starts at 22:00 and finishes at 06:00 |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 28, 2023 10:41:51 GMT
Personally I think there would be more demand for a rail replacement service on Sunday mornings from Clapham Junction /Richmond to Stratford. First trains don’t start until 9-9:30 and this is due to maintenance work taking place on Saturday evenings into the mornings because freight uses the North London Line at night due to the number of London Overground trains now running throughout the day. I reckon that would have a far better business case to introduce, particularly when Old Oak Common gets its feet off the ground. I don’t know if it would need to go as far as Richmond but I think a weekend night bus following the overground from Stratford to Camden Road could be quite well used. There are quite a few weekend night hotspots along the way (Camden, Dalston, Hackney Wick and Stratford) that could generate demand. It would also link to the night tube at 5 night tube lines (Northern, Piccadilly, Victoria Central and Jubilee) I wasn’t suggesting a full night route, just from maybe about 6am as some sort of Rail Replacement on Sunday mornings until 9-9:30. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 28, 2023 10:45:02 GMT
Exactly. Also the late / shift argument is pretty weak and night worker / late shifts usually start before the last bus and finish after buses have started running in the morning.
I am repeating what I said in the past but if someone takes a job it's their responsibility to decide if they can can get to work each day. Everywhere can't be linked by one bus 247.
In fairness that is a big generalisation. Take Royal Mail. Staff working at their mail distributions centre, Beddington cover SE, SM, BR & CR post code, Kingston SW, KT, plus I suspect some others, on out-going mail finish shifts at 2 am. They have to get 1st class mail and time deliveries out by 22:30 at latest and 2nd class out by 02:00. Incoming mail is not so bad, as that starts at 22:00 and finishes at 06:00 is it though? You are using one example when the majority of shift workers will start and finish late evening and early morning. I would personally say the Royal Mail one is a extreme example compared to say hospital shift works as an example. |
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 28, 2023 10:56:32 GMT
In fairness that is a big generalisation. Take Royal Mail. Staff working at their mail distributions centre, Beddington cover SE, SM, BR & CR post code, Kingston SW, KT, plus I suspect some others, on out-going mail finish shifts at 2 am. They have to get 1st class mail and time deliveries out by 22:30 at latest and 2nd class out by 02:00. Incoming mail is not so bad, as that starts at 22:00 and finishes at 06:00 is it though? You are using one example when the majority of shift workers will start and finish late evening and early morning. I would personally say the Royal Mail one is a extreme example compared to say hospital shift works as an example. I understand what you are saying, but can only quote examples I am familiar with, and can't believe Royal Mail is unique or extreme. Sure there are other companies where work demands mean shifts finish at different times. Look at Casino workers, Casinos are busiest between 22:00-01:00 and not usual, for staff to finish at 02:00 or 03:00 as the place quickly empties and you can't keep all the staff until 06:00. I accept hospitals have shift patterns where most staff won't need to use night buses. I also a agree that this applies to the majority of shift workers, but there is still a significant minority that do require travelling at these times. If there was not, ask yourself why we operate night services in the week at all. Is there really no demand? |
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 28, 2023 11:09:18 GMT
I don’t know if it would need to go as far as Richmond but I think a weekend night bus following the overground from Stratford to Camden Road could be quite well used. There are quite a few weekend night hotspots along the way (Camden, Dalston, Hackney Wick and Stratford) that could generate demand. It would also link to the night tube at 5 night tube lines (Northern, Piccadilly, Victoria Central and Jubilee) I wasn’t suggesting a full night route, just from maybe about 6am as some sort of Rail Replacement on Sunday mornings until 9-9:30. I remember when the Northern Line had a late start they were quite lucky that the N20 was already in place to run later in the morning to cover. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 28, 2023 12:48:38 GMT
Personally I think there would be more demand for a rail replacement service on Sunday mornings from Clapham Junction /Richmond to Stratford. First trains don’t start until 9-9:30 and this is due to maintenance work taking place on Saturday evenings into the mornings because freight uses the North London Line at night due to the number of London Overground trains now running throughout the day. I reckon that would have a far better business case to introduce, particularly when Old Oak Common gets its feet off the ground. I don’t know if it would need to go as far as Richmond but I think a weekend night bus following the overground from Stratford to Camden Road could be quite well used. There are quite a few weekend night hotspots along the way (Camden, Dalston, Hackney Wick and Stratford) that could generate demand. It would also link to the night tube at 5 night tube lines (Northern, Piccadilly, Victoria Central and Jubilee) Would probably be best to just introduce a weekend night service on the Overground along this section. Could continue further via West Hampstead, offering interchange to the Jubilee and Thameslink, maybe terminating at Willesden Junction? Otherwise you could maybe introduce a night service on the 30, extending beyond Hackney Wick to Stratford City via the 388? This would link all places you mention other than Camden, but with interchange available at Kings Cross or Euston. This could also replace part of the N277, with the 277 just becoming a 24-hour service to Dalston Junction. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 28, 2023 13:18:17 GMT
No but it's only one extra night route on our streets. I think it will do people more good than bad. TfL have the figures and projected figures. If they can afford to pay tube drivers 70K a year to sit in cabs doing nothing then they can afford the best data analysts. Any work that requires shift patterns often has relative provisions. Not everyone can have a night route passing their doorstep and it is a poor use of resources to do so. Whether a route runs every hour in the night or every 5 minutes in the night you've now got to pay for a team to run the service overnight. You want the 260, now what about the 262? That route goes from Stratford to Gallions Reach and will do a lot of good linking the Plaistow area to the shift workers at Beckton Tesco and Beckton DLR depot. Then we get onto the 75, that used to have a night service, why not again? Before you know it then every route will have its own justification. The night network certainly could do with improvements but picking routes out of a hat is not the way to go about it. You make a good point about the 262 especially along the busy Prince Regent corridor which could be a potentially be a busy night route. Also talking of hospitals Newham General is not served by any night routes. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 28, 2023 13:33:05 GMT
TfL have the figures and projected figures. If they can afford to pay tube drivers 70K a year to sit in cabs doing nothing then they can afford the best data analysts. Any work that requires shift patterns often has relative provisions. Not everyone can have a night route passing their doorstep and it is a poor use of resources to do so. Whether a route runs every hour in the night or every 5 minutes in the night you've now got to pay for a team to run the service overnight. You want the 260, now what about the 262? That route goes from Stratford to Gallions Reach and will do a lot of good linking the Plaistow area to the shift workers at Beckton Tesco and Beckton DLR depot. Then we get onto the 75, that used to have a night service, why not again? Before you know it then every route will have its own justification. The night network certainly could do with improvements but picking routes out of a hat is not the way to go about it. You make a good point about the 262 especially along the busy Prince Regent corridor which could be a potentially be a busy night route. Also talking of hospitals Newham General is not served by any night routes. Neither is St Helier or Epsom and neither will the new hospital in Sutton replacing their A&Es. |
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