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Post by snowman on Feb 11, 2020 12:28:24 GMT
The Government has announced £5bn over 5 years for non-London buses (also includes 250 miles of cycle lanes) Will be 4000 zero emission buses More High frequency routes (including evenings and weekends) www.gov.uk/government/news/major-boost-for-bus-services-as-pm-outlines-new-vision-for-local-transportNot sure how many buses would have been bought anyway over 5 years, but I would guess 4000 zero emission is a big chunk of future bus orders. Potentially some of the current diesel designs on the market could stop if multiple Operators switch to subsidised electric (or hydrogen) buses My other thought is that the Boris Government no longer wants to invest in London, would much prefer to look good in their new marginal constituencies up North
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Post by YY13VKP on Feb 11, 2020 15:46:45 GMT
The Government has announced £5bn over 5 years for non-London buses (also includes 250 miles of cycle lanes) Will be 4000 zero emission buses More High frequency routes (including evenings and weekends) www.gov.uk/government/news/major-boost-for-bus-services-as-pm-outlines-new-vision-for-local-transportNot sure how many buses would have been bought anyway over 5 years, but I would guess 4000 zero emission is a big chunk of future bus orders. Potentially some of the current diesel designs on the market could stop if multiple Operators switch to subsidised electric (or hydrogen) buses My other thought is that the Boris Government no longer wants to invest in London, would much prefer to look good in their new marginal constituencies up North Investment in the north has been needed for some time now, especially on the buses. As I've said many times, the buses here in Huddersfield are awful and need investment
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 11, 2020 16:25:24 GMT
The Government has announced £5bn over 5 years for non-London buses (also includes 250 miles of cycle lanes) Will be 4000 zero emission buses More High frequency routes (including evenings and weekends) www.gov.uk/government/news/major-boost-for-bus-services-as-pm-outlines-new-vision-for-local-transportNot sure how many buses would have been bought anyway over 5 years, but I would guess 4000 zero emission is a big chunk of future bus orders. Potentially some of the current diesel designs on the market could stop if multiple Operators switch to subsidised electric (or hydrogen) buses My other thought is that the Boris Government no longer wants to invest in London, would much prefer to look good in their new marginal constituencies up North Investment in the north has been needed for some time now, especially on the buses. As I've said many times, the buses here in Huddersfield are awful and need investment Zubin, you love all those B7TLs and B7RLEs 😅🤣. You get more modern vehicles visiting from the out of town garages!
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Post by YY13VKP on Feb 11, 2020 16:51:47 GMT
Investment in the north has been needed for some time now, especially on the buses. As I've said many times, the buses here in Huddersfield are awful and need investment Zubin, you love all those B7TLs and B7RLEs 😅🤣. You get more modern vehicles visiting from the out of town garages! I never use them anymore actually, mainly because I've moved to the town centre now and everything I need is within walking distance and there's nothing in particular that makes me want to ride one in a hurry, nor have I had the time to do so recently. If there was more ex London stuff up here though, maybe there would be an excuse to go for a ride . There's a rumour going around that Huddersfield is due to receive yet more 04 reg B7TL Gemini's cascaded from Leeds. They would be better if First actually took care of them and refurbished them! I'd much rather have some Enviro400's but Halifax have got those instead. Why not give Bamford some business by ordering more Streetdecks to completely renew the Huddersfield double decker fleet?
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Post by vjaska on Feb 11, 2020 18:58:07 GMT
The Government has announced £5bn over 5 years for non-London buses (also includes 250 miles of cycle lanes) Will be 4000 zero emission buses More High frequency routes (including evenings and weekends) www.gov.uk/government/news/major-boost-for-bus-services-as-pm-outlines-new-vision-for-local-transportNot sure how many buses would have been bought anyway over 5 years, but I would guess 4000 zero emission is a big chunk of future bus orders. Potentially some of the current diesel designs on the market could stop if multiple Operators switch to subsidised electric (or hydrogen) buses My other thought is that the Boris Government no longer wants to invest in London, would much prefer to look good in their new marginal constituencies up North Investment in the north has been needed for some time now, especially on the buses. As I've said many times, the buses here in Huddersfield are awful and need investment I agree but the problem is the south then gets ignored & neglected as a result because this country cannot do joined up thinking properly where both the north & south are properly invested in. As snowman said, it’s a carrot to show he will look after his new constituencies.
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 12, 2020 0:45:47 GMT
Investment in the north has been needed for some time now, especially on the buses. As I've said many times, the buses here in Huddersfield are awful and need investment I agree but the problem is the south then gets ignored & neglected as a result because this country cannot do joined up thinking properly where both the north & south are properly invested in. As snowman said, it’s a carrot to show he will look after his new constituencies. Think it is only London that is excluded ... not sure there is a ban on the general south ... but then London already has a zero emissions policy in place.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 12, 2020 1:54:15 GMT
I agree but the problem is the south then gets ignored & neglected as a result because this country cannot do joined up thinking properly where both the north & south are properly invested in. As snowman said, it’s a carrot to show he will look after his new constituencies. Think it is only London that is excluded ... not sure there is a ban on the general south ... but then London already has a zero emissions policy in place. I never mentioned anything about a ban but it certainly seems to me that Boris has ditched the south so he can gain/dupe the north into believing in his policies - wouldn't be at all surprised if the removal of the TfL subsidy was the beginning of the shift. And then people wonder why we have nonsense such as the north vs south divide where people in the south think the north are full of half wit inbred people whilst north thinks the south is sitting on piles of gold and that poverty doesn't exist down here - this country has long had a lack of joined up thinking where everywhere should prospering at roughly the same pace but nope, rather than a British powerhouse, lets create a Northern powerhouse that does nothing for southerners whilst keeping the north quiet for a few years
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Post by ServerKing on Feb 12, 2020 2:31:09 GMT
Let's see how it all pans out... a lot of work for ADL/BYD and Optare... let's see if Wrightbus design a decent electric bus by then Boris has so far delivered Brexit... or at least gotten the UK out of the EU, let's see what trade deals come along. Electric bus thrash videos on YouTube might become a thing They will still have to improve their range, and I think SmartHybrids should also be considered as well. The North has not had the levels of investment that London has (and sqandered), there was also talk of Government moving some functions away from London in the future, so definitely a move to appeal to voters.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 12, 2020 4:39:26 GMT
Let's see how it all pans out... a lot of work for ADL/BYD and Optare... let's see if Wrightbus design a decent electric bus by then Boris has so far delivered Brexit... or at least gotten the UK out of the EU, let's see what trade deals come along. Electric bus thrash videos on YouTube might become a thing They will still have to improve their range, and I think SmartHybrids should also be considered as well. The North has not had the levels of investment that London has (and sqandered), there was also talk of Government moving some functions away from London in the future, so definitely a move to appeal to voters. The North hasn't had the levels of investment but equally, it not should be used as a stick to beat the south with, especially London because it then creates this nonsense "them & us" mentality which is absolutely wrong. For example, a council in Yorkshire said they're a poor relation to London in terms of pothole funding but yet London received the smallest share of funding last time out whilst county councils received the biggest - people need to stop spinning facts. The below echoes what I'm saying in that you need to invest everywhere, not cherry pick or rob funding from one place to give to another: www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2020/01/07/report-calls-for-more-investment-in-londons-public-transport/
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Post by ServerKing on Feb 12, 2020 6:42:47 GMT
Let's see how it all pans out... a lot of work for ADL/BYD and Optare... let's see if Wrightbus design a decent electric bus by then Boris has so far delivered Brexit... or at least gotten the UK out of the EU, let's see what trade deals come along. Electric bus thrash videos on YouTube might become a thing They will still have to improve their range, and I think SmartHybrids should also be considered as well. The North has not had the levels of investment that London has (and sqandered), there was also talk of Government moving some functions away from London in the future, so definitely a move to appeal to voters. The North hasn't had the levels of investment but equally, it not should be used as a stick to beat the south with, especially London because it then creates this nonsense "them & us" mentality which is absolutely wrong. For example, a council in Yorkshire said they're a poor relation to London in terms of pothole funding but yet London received the smallest share of funding last time out whilst county councils received the biggest - people need to stop spinning facts. The below echoes what I'm saying in that you need to invest everywhere, not cherry pick or rob funding from one place to give to another: www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2020/01/07/report-calls-for-more-investment-in-londons-public-transport/I think the unregulated North has done okay with the investment by the Big Five (liveries, leather seats, Wifi etc), as they've had to work harder to get people onto buses than London ever has. In London, with over 400 routes, the buses are just there, it is down to Joe Public to take advantage of them. Ken Livingstone's TfL killed creativity with all over red, Boris came along and ruined things further with cycle lanes, before Sadiq Khan came and finished off the job with 20 zones, and allowed too much congestion to choke the roads as minicabs took over. Nothing appeals to me to get a bus in town due to the traffic. Add in, sod all advertising to appeal to anyone, poor branding (see X140 and everything else they have tinkered with), and apart from telling us off about speed (watch your speed - your son does), there's nothing about getting the bus and leaving the car at home. So if the funding goes to where it could be used better, then fair play. The system in London needs re numbering, re planning... too much duplicating on major roads, too much traffic. Who would you give a university place to? The rich kid with everything at his feet, or the kid who's mum works two jobs to get by, or is stuck in one room with 3 other siblings? London has been the "rich kid" for years, perhaps a cut to funding will open up things a bit more for TfL to learn from the world outside. Ironically Boris wants to bring London style travel to the North, so perhaps they too will get endless roadworks, 20 zones and a glut of minicabs too?
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Post by snowman on Feb 12, 2020 8:49:40 GMT
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 12, 2020 16:59:55 GMT
With all the talk about the North/South Divide - don't forget us here in the South West!
I can send Sajid Javid a shopping list to save time ....
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 12, 2020 19:00:11 GMT
I wonder how much they have spoken to National Grid. Seems Stagecoach Cambridge are restricted to two charging points due to capacity constraints.
Wonder who will be the first London operator to encounter such issues?
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 12, 2020 19:09:45 GMT
I wonder how much they have spoken to National Grid. Seems Stagecoach Cambridge are restricted to two charging points due to capacity constraints. Wonder who will be the first London operator to encounter such issues? I think densely-populated London has more powerful electricity supply infrastructure than rural Cambridgeshire! (the vehicles are for Busway services, which are operated out of Fenstanton Depot). It does underline the point though that the allocation of electric vehicles to route has to go hand-in-hand with infrastructure development (both electricity supply and depots), rather than simply saying that electric vehicles should simply be allocated to routes going though pollution hotspots. When even full diesels are to EuroVI standard, emissions from buses are a miniscule part of the problem in those areas.
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 12, 2020 19:20:21 GMT
I wonder how much they have spoken to National Grid. Seems Stagecoach Cambridge are restricted to two charging points due to capacity constraints. Wonder who will be the first London operator to encounter such issues? I think densely-populated London has more powerful electricity supply infrastructure than rural Cambridgeshire! (the vehicles are for Busway services, which are operated out of Fenstanton Depot). It does underline the point though that the allocation of electric vehicles to route has to go hand-in-hand with infrastructure development (both electricity supply and depots), rather than simply saying that electric vehicles should simply be allocated to routes going though pollution hotspots. When even full diesels are to EuroVI standard, emissions from buses are a miniscule part of the problem in those areas. But by the same argument London has the greater demand ... so that cancels out the supply statement and requires a different supply to the standard 240V
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