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Post by SILENCED on Nov 27, 2021 23:55:23 GMT
I can see the argument. You wear fask masks to protect others, not yourself. Why should you try and protect the unvaccinated? If they do not need a vaccine, the risk is theirs. I'd also rather those wear face masks and protect me. As a triple vaccinated person on the "vulnerable" list working on the rails I want them to protect me as well. There is no argument Whilst I can understand and sympathize with your position, I am not completely against the idea of a culling of the terminally stupid.
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Post by Green Kitten on Nov 28, 2021 18:28:57 GMT
I’m not going to partake in the face covering debate because it’s not productive, so I’ll divert the thread to some good news.
Novavax is expected to be approved in the UK as another covid-19 vaccine. It uses more traditional vaccine technology other than mRNA.
In my experience a lot of people are worried about the mRNA jabs (and I know the AstraZeneca jab uses a different but newer tech, but it’s hard to come by these days due to the clot propaganda). People may be more willing to take this one.
If that doesn’t convince them, I hope that the UK reverses it’s decision to cancel the Valneva contract. Valneva vaccines use the traditional method - a weakened version of the virus. I think many people concerned about mRNA will hop on board for the Valneva vaccine so it’s worth a shot (no pun intended).
Indeed, in my experience I’ve seen a lot of unjabbed people who will gladly wait for Novavax or Valneva.
In my opinion, this will do far more for vaccine hesitancy than sinister and totalitarian ‘vaccine passports’. More ethical too - a win-win! 😊
There will of course people (the 5G/vax = autism/microchip insertion crew) who won’t budge, but it’ll be a small minority again.
I think it’s just unwise to denigrate a bunch of people, and want them banned from everywhere because they ‘infringe upon your rights’, a trap which some members here are falling into. Helps no one.
(I’m not really convinced by the ‘variants are caused by the unjabbed’ theory. And do note that omicron is appearing to be milder than previous variants, according to the South African doctor who discovered it, and that the panic is not really required.)
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 28, 2021 18:41:08 GMT
I’m not going to partake in the face covering debate because it’s not productive, so I’ll divert the thread to some good news. Novavax is expected to be approved in the UK as another covid-19 vaccine. It uses more traditional vaccine technology other than mRNA. In my experience a lot of people are worried about the mRNA jabs (and I know the AstraZeneca jab uses a different but newer tech, but it’s hard to come by these days due to the clot propaganda). People may be more willing to take this one. If that doesn’t convince them, I hope that the UK reverses it’s decision to cancel the Valneva contract. Valneva vaccines use the traditional method - a weakened version of the virus. I think many people concerned about mRNA will hop on board for the Valneva vaccine so it’s worth a shot (no pun intended). Indeed, in my experience I’ve seen a lot of unjabbed people who will gladly wait for Novavax or Valneva. In my opinion, this will do far more for vaccine hesitancy than sinister and totalitarian ‘vaccine passports’. More ethical too - a win-win! 😊 There will of course people (the 5G/vax = autism/microchip insertion crew) who won’t budge, but it’ll be a small minority again. I think it’s just unwise to denigrate a bunch of people, and want them banned from everywhere because they ‘infringe upon your rights’, a trap which some members here are falling into. Helps no one. (I’m not really convinced by the ‘variants are caused by the unjabbed’ theory. And do note that omicron is appearing to be milder than previous variants, according to the South African doctor who discovered it, and that the panic is not really required.) Variants aren't directly caused by the unjabbed, but are more likely to mutate in the unjabbed due to the longer time it takes for an immune response to be generated. It's the same reason it's believed this new variant has come about through an AIDS/HIV patient as they have a weakened immune system and therefore take a longer time to generate an immune response if they even do so at all. I wouldn't say it's propaganda with the AZ jab, but a mountain being made out of a molehill. The jab does have links to clots, they can't hide that. It's just that even if it's 1 in 10000 people that get them, it's better that the 1 in 10000 doesn't happen at all which is the stance that they have taken. I do think they should have left it as an option, as likewise a lot of people aren't taking boosters as they're only Pfizer whereas I'm sure if a viral vectored one like the AZ one was made available more people would get it.
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 28, 2021 19:33:30 GMT
I’m not going to partake in the face covering debate because it’s not productive, so I’ll divert the thread to some good news. Novavax is expected to be approved in the UK as another covid-19 vaccine. It uses more traditional vaccine technology other than mRNA. In my experience a lot of people are worried about the mRNA jabs (and I know the AstraZeneca jab uses a different but newer tech, but it’s hard to come by these days due to the clot propaganda). People may be more willing to take this one. If that doesn’t convince them, I hope that the UK reverses it’s decision to cancel the Valneva contract. Valneva vaccines use the traditional method - a weakened version of the virus. I think many people concerned about mRNA will hop on board for the Valneva vaccine so it’s worth a shot (no pun intended). Indeed, in my experience I’ve seen a lot of unjabbed people who will gladly wait for Novavax or Valneva. In my opinion, this will do far more for vaccine hesitancy than sinister and totalitarian ‘vaccine passports’. More ethical too - a win-win! 😊 There will of course people (the 5G/vax = autism/microchip insertion crew) who won’t budge, but it’ll be a small minority again. I think it’s just unwise to denigrate a bunch of people, and want them banned from everywhere because they ‘infringe upon your rights’, a trap which some members here are falling into. Helps no one. (I’m not really convinced by the ‘variants are caused by the unjabbed’ theory. And do note that omicron is appearing to be milder than previous variants, according to the South African doctor who discovered it, and that the panic is not really required.) So a right to remain healthy and not have people recklessly spreading a leathal desease is something that should be infringed?
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Post by greenboy on Nov 28, 2021 20:09:36 GMT
I’m not going to partake in the face covering debate because it’s not productive, so I’ll divert the thread to some good news. Novavax is expected to be approved in the UK as another covid-19 vaccine. It uses more traditional vaccine technology other than mRNA. In my experience a lot of people are worried about the mRNA jabs (and I know the AstraZeneca jab uses a different but newer tech, but it’s hard to come by these days due to the clot propaganda). People may be more willing to take this one. If that doesn’t convince them, I hope that the UK reverses it’s decision to cancel the Valneva contract. Valneva vaccines use the traditional method - a weakened version of the virus. I think many people concerned about mRNA will hop on board for the Valneva vaccine so it’s worth a shot (no pun intended). Indeed, in my experience I’ve seen a lot of unjabbed people who will gladly wait for Novavax or Valneva. In my opinion, this will do far more for vaccine hesitancy than sinister and totalitarian ‘vaccine passports’. More ethical too - a win-win! 😊 There will of course people (the 5G/vax = autism/microchip insertion crew) who won’t budge, but it’ll be a small minority again. I think it’s just unwise to denigrate a bunch of people, and want them banned from everywhere because they ‘infringe upon your rights’, a trap which some members here are falling into. Helps no one. (I’m not really convinced by the ‘variants are caused by the unjabbed’ theory. And do note that omicron is appearing to be milder than previous variants, according to the South African doctor who discovered it, and that the panic is not really required.) And spreading the virus helps nobody, if people refuse the vaccine they have only themselves to blame if they are excluded from things that are available to the rest of us.
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Post by ronnie on Nov 28, 2021 20:20:29 GMT
I’m not going to partake in the face covering debate because it’s not productive, so I’ll divert the thread to some good news. Novavax is expected to be approved in the UK as another covid-19 vaccine. It uses more traditional vaccine technology other than mRNA. In my experience a lot of people are worried about the mRNA jabs (and I know the AstraZeneca jab uses a different but newer tech, but it’s hard to come by these days due to the clot propaganda). People may be more willing to take this one. If that doesn’t convince them, I hope that the UK reverses it’s decision to cancel the Valneva contract. Valneva vaccines use the traditional method - a weakened version of the virus. I think many people concerned about mRNA will hop on board for the Valneva vaccine so it’s worth a shot (no pun intended). Indeed, in my experience I’ve seen a lot of unjabbed people who will gladly wait for Novavax or Valneva. In my opinion, this will do far more for vaccine hesitancy than sinister and totalitarian ‘vaccine passports’. More ethical too - a win-win! 😊 There will of course people (the 5G/vax = autism/microchip insertion crew) who won’t budge, but it’ll be a small minority again. I think it’s just unwise to denigrate a bunch of people, and want them banned from everywhere because they ‘infringe upon your rights’, a trap which some members here are falling into. Helps no one. (I’m not really convinced by the ‘variants are caused by the unjabbed’ theory. And do note that omicron is appearing to be milder than previous variants, according to the South African doctor who discovered it, and that the panic is not really required.) Variants aren't directly caused by the unjabbed, but are more likely to mutate in the unjabbed due to the longer time it takes for an immune response to be generated. It's the same reason it's believed this new variant has come about through an AIDS/HIV patient as they have a weakened immune system and therefore take a longer time to generate an immune response if they even do so at all. I wouldn't say it's propaganda with the AZ jab, but a mountain being made out of a molehill. The jab does have links to clots, they can't hide that. It's just that even if it's 1 in 10000 people that get them, it's better that the 1 in 10000 doesn't happen at all which is the stance that they have taken. I do think they should have left it as an option, as likewise a lot of people aren't taking boosters as they're only Pfizer whereas I'm sure if a viral vectored one like the AZ one was made available more people would get it. The AZ one was bonkers frankly. That’s a direct result of health and safety gone overboard (I get it and fully understand that a lot of effort has been made in improving safety but like most things there needs to be a balance and now the pendulum has swung too far). It’s like the time when train services were suspended because it was too sunny (but car / bus / lorry drivers don’t have problems…!). I recently bought crackers and the safety advice was standing 8m away (those things barely cover more than 2feet in the first place!) Also (a) the AZ jab was suspended for the under 40s; (b) usage of AZ continues in most parts of the developing world where the average population age is well under 40. What message is this sending? Lives of people in developing countries matter less than the developed world - who have also bought up almost all of the supply leaving behind peanuts for the rest of the world. Don’t forget that the US is still sitting on some 60 or 90million doses of AZ and the vaccine isn’t even approved there yet (and given there are expiry dates some of this is going to be thrown away I guess!)
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 28, 2021 22:36:15 GMT
I’m not going to partake in the face covering debate because it’s not productive, so I’ll divert the thread to some good news. Novavax is expected to be approved in the UK as another covid-19 vaccine. It uses more traditional vaccine technology other than mRNA. In my experience a lot of people are worried about the mRNA jabs (and I know the AstraZeneca jab uses a different but newer tech, but it’s hard to come by these days due to the clot propaganda). People may be more willing to take this one. If that doesn’t convince them, I hope that the UK reverses it’s decision to cancel the Valneva contract. Valneva vaccines use the traditional method - a weakened version of the virus. I think many people concerned about mRNA will hop on board for the Valneva vaccine so it’s worth a shot (no pun intended). Indeed, in my experience I’ve seen a lot of unjabbed people who will gladly wait for Novavax or Valneva. In my opinion, this will do far more for vaccine hesitancy than sinister and totalitarian ‘vaccine passports’. More ethical too - a win-win! 😊 There will of course people (the 5G/vax = autism/microchip insertion crew) who won’t budge, but it’ll be a small minority again. I think it’s just unwise to denigrate a bunch of people, and want them banned from everywhere because they ‘infringe upon your rights’, a trap which some members here are falling into. Helps no one. (I’m not really convinced by the ‘variants are caused by the unjabbed’ theory. And do note that omicron is appearing to be milder than previous variants, according to the South African doctor who discovered it, and that the panic is not really required.) So a right to remain healthy and not have people recklessly spreading a leathal desease is something that should be infringed? Jesus, did I miss the part when this country became us against them. We are all human and all trying to do what we believe is right. You chose to get vaccinated and they didn’t but it doesn’t mean they are recklessly spreading it. Despite being vaccinated you could still spread it and still get it but you’ll sleep better at night knowing you were vaccinated, what complete hogwash. Stop focusing on this idea that the unvaccinated are the problem.
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 28, 2021 22:54:25 GMT
So a right to remain healthy and not have people recklessly spreading a leathal desease is something that should be infringed? Jesus, did I miss the part when this country became us against them. We are all human and all trying to do what we believe is right. You chose to get vaccinated and they didn’t but it doesn’t mean they are recklessly spreading it. Despite being vaccinated you could still spread it and still get it but you’ll sleep better at night knowing you were vaccinated, what complete hogwash. Stop focusing on this idea that the unvaccinated are the problem. Sorry, they are the problem behind spreading the virus. The majority of people in hospital are the unvaccinated. The majority dying are the unvaccinated. This despite being the minority. This is keeping hospitals busy, so other treatments not being offered and causing deaths from other cause. You might be in denial ... but the unvaccinated are f**ked up ... literally killing people unnecessarily.
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 28, 2021 23:13:09 GMT
Jesus, did I miss the part when this country became us against them. We are all human and all trying to do what we believe is right. You chose to get vaccinated and they didn’t but it doesn’t mean they are recklessly spreading it. Despite being vaccinated you could still spread it and still get it but you’ll sleep better at night knowing you were vaccinated, what complete hogwash. Stop focusing on this idea that the unvaccinated are the problem. Sorry, they are the problem behind spreading the virus. The majority of people in hospital are the unvaccinated. The majority dying are the unvaccinated. This despite being the minority. This is keeping hospitals busy, so other treatments not being offered and causing deaths from other cause. You might be in denial ... but the unvaccinated are f**ked up ... literally killing people unnecessarily. They are only part of the problem, you are completely delusional to believe they are the main cause. You can still spread the virus once vaccinated, it does not stop you getting and spreading it. And unless you can accurately pinpoint down who would have given it to you, which would be almost impossible, you’d have no way to know if they were vaccinated or not.
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 28, 2021 23:34:00 GMT
Sorry, they are the problem behind spreading the virus. The majority of people in hospital are the unvaccinated. The majority dying are the unvaccinated. This despite being the minority. This is keeping hospitals busy, so other treatments not being offered and causing deaths from other cause. You might be in denial ... but the unvaccinated are f**ked up ... literally killing people unnecessarily. They are only part of the problem, you are completely delusional to believe they are the main cause. You can still spread the virus once vaccinated, it does not stop you getting and spreading it. And unless you can accurately pinpoint down who would have given it to you, which would be almost impossible, you’d have no way to know if they were vaccinated or not. Agree they are only a part of the problem, but a bleedin big problem. Yes you can spread it when once vaccinated, but it is mostly spread by coughing and sneezing. People who show no signs, are more likely to be vaccinated because the virus helps suppress symptoms. Those showing signs are likely to be unvaccinated, as they have no immunity. You have just proved your theory wrong. 80-90% of those admitted to hospital are unvaccinated ... official stat, so proof more likely to show symptoms. You yourself are being delusional if you do not believe non vaxers are a danger that not just their own health but others as well. Better prepare yourself to the disadvantages of not having a vaccine passport ... cause if things get worse ... that is what will happen
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 29, 2021 12:27:59 GMT
He is not too wrong, in both cases the gas passes through, and in both case any dangerous stuff the solids and liquids, is kept close to the skin. Would you want to be behind an unmasked arse whilst it farts?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 13:17:17 GMT
He is not too wrong, in both cases the gas passes through, and in both case any dangerous stuff the solids and liquids, is kept close to the skin. Would you want to be behind an unmasked arse whilst it farts? No but his point is to not wear a mask on the train
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Post by ThinLizzy on Nov 29, 2021 15:28:40 GMT
He is not too wrong, in both cases the gas passes through, and in both case any dangerous stuff the solids and liquids, is kept close to the skin. Would you want to be behind an unmasked arse whilst it farts? No but his point is to not wear a mask on the train unless he's advocating not wearing trousers on the train
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Post by VMH2537 on Dec 3, 2021 14:31:36 GMT
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