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Post by vjaska on Mar 2, 2021 23:17:29 GMT
not wanting to be labelled an "armchair driver" but not sure where they would have failed a route test on the 62. They managed to get Dennis Lances and long-wheelbase Tridents around the route without any issues. At least ADL now do a slightly shorter version of the electric DD now Heard it was the turn out of Gascoigne Road onto the A13 where it wasn't possible to make the turn without use of the middle lane, drivers of the Enviros and previously Tridents often hump the curb there and I'd imagine a 10.9 BYD wouldn't be able to make a turn without using both lanes. It's a turn which can probably be done but due to its use of the middle lane of the A13 it got failed. I was surprised to hear as the 62 also used 10.7m ALX200's judging by the photo on one on a website I was looking at but the 62 isn't my area of expertise so wouldn't know anyway
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 2, 2021 23:31:05 GMT
Heard it was the turn out of Gascoigne Road onto the A13 where it wasn't possible to make the turn without use of the middle lane, drivers of the Enviros and previously Tridents often hump the curb there and I'd imagine a 10.9 BYD wouldn't be able to make a turn without using both lanes. It's a turn which can probably be done but due to its use of the middle lane of the A13 it got failed. I was surprised to hear as the 62 also used 10.7m ALX200's judging by the photo on one on a website I was looking at but the 62 isn't my area of expertise so wouldn't know anyway When I heard the news of it failing I was a bit surprised myself, but the 62s officially allocated ALX200s at the time were 10.2m alongside the spare Darts BK had, I don't believe BK had any longer examples as the 366, 300 and 325 all had 10.2 variants of their buses too. However I wouldn't be surprised if there were longer 10.7m ALX200s mixed in at BK at the time as they'd often transfer about different garages all the time. I imagine 10.5m buses were the longest the 62 was allowed to take, as the Tridents would do it all the time. Although most notably none of BK's orders around the 2011 period involved single deckers of the 10.8m range which could have been potentially down to the offending turn on the 62.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Mar 2, 2021 23:37:14 GMT
I was surprised to hear as the 62 also used 10.7m ALX200's judging by the photo on one on a website I was looking at but the 62 isn't my area of expertise so wouldn't know anyway When I heard the news of it failing I was a bit surprised myself, but the 62s officially allocated ALX200s at the time were 10.2m alongside the spare Darts BK had, I don't believe BK had any longer examples as the 366, 300 and 325 all had 10.2 variants of their buses too. However I wouldn't be surprised if there were longer 10.7m ALX200s mixed in at BK at the time as they'd often transfer about different garages all the time. I imagine 10.5m buses were the longest the 62 was allowed to take, as the Tridents would do it all the time. Although most notably none of BK's orders around the 2011 period involved single deckers of the 10.8m range which could have been potentially down to the offending turn on the 62. the longer ALX200s that were allocated to the 145 often made appearances on the 62, 300 and 325. Don't think any went out on the 366, although now the longer 362 E200s do go out on the 366
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Post by mkay315 on Mar 2, 2021 23:48:29 GMT
Heard it was the turn out of Gascoigne Road onto the A13 where it wasn't possible to make the turn without use of the middle lane, drivers of the Enviros and previously Tridents often hump the curb there and I'd imagine a 10.9 BYD wouldn't be able to make a turn without using both lanes. It's a turn which can probably be done but due to its use of the middle lane of the A13 it got failed. I was surprised to hear as the 62 also used 10.7m ALX200's judging by the photo on one on a website I was looking at but the 62 isn't my area of expertise so wouldn't know anyway That was during the time the 145 got converted to double deckers in 2003. Those 10.7 buses were put onto the 62 and 287 before it got sent to the 276 in 2004. I dunno why BK ended up getting those V-MVX plaxton buses from the 276 though. That always baffled me.
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Post by mkay315 on Mar 2, 2021 23:51:54 GMT
When I heard the news of it failing I was a bit surprised myself, but the 62s officially allocated ALX200s at the time were 10.2m alongside the spare Darts BK had, I don't believe BK had any longer examples as the 366, 300 and 325 all had 10.2 variants of their buses too. However I wouldn't be surprised if there were longer 10.7m ALX200s mixed in at BK at the time as they'd often transfer about different garages all the time. I imagine 10.5m buses were the longest the 62 was allowed to take, as the Tridents would do it all the time. Although most notably none of BK's orders around the 2011 period involved single deckers of the 10.8m range which could have been potentially down to the offending turn on the 62. the longer ALX200s that were allocated to the 145 often made appearances on the 62, 300 and 325. Don't think any went out on the 366, although now the longer 362 E200s do go out on the 366 I was surprised they got out onto those routes given the tight roads in East Ham especially when the 325 used to run through Vicarage Road.
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Post by richard on Mar 3, 2021 0:15:04 GMT
What routes did the ALX200s operate?
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Post by mkay315 on Mar 3, 2021 0:22:07 GMT
What routes did the ALX200s operate? From the east London garages it was the 62, 296, 364 (P reg versions), 145, 287, 366, 230 and 276 off the top of my head. They did stray onto other routes though such as the 300 and 325 and D3 and 247. I'm not fully sure with regards to the South London garages. I know 181, 273 and 284 were amongst the list. Can anyone add on this for me?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 3, 2021 0:38:29 GMT
What routes did the ALX200s operate? From the east London garages it was the 62, 296, 364 (P reg versions), 145, 287, 366, 230 and 276 off the top of my head. They did stray onto other routes though such as the 300 and 325 and D3 and 247. I'm not fully sure with regards to the South London garages. I know 181, 273 and 284 were amongst the list. Can anyone add on this for me? Worth mentioning that the Pointers of the 300 and 325 did often intermix with the ALX200s for the 62, 366 and 396 very frequently to a point some days both the 300 and 325 would be predominantly ALX200.
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Post by mkay315 on Mar 3, 2021 0:47:36 GMT
From the east London garages it was the 62, 296, 364 (P reg versions), 145, 287, 366, 230 and 276 off the top of my head. They did stray onto other routes though such as the 300 and 325 and D3 and 247. I'm not fully sure with regards to the South London garages. I know 181, 273 and 284 were amongst the list. Can anyone add on this for me? Worth mentioning that the Pointers of the 300 and 325 did often intermix with the ALX200s for the 62, 366 and 396 very frequently to a point some days both the 300 and 325 would be predominantly ALX200. Oh yes yes I remembered those V-MVX pointers for the 300 and 325 and the 52-reg on the 396. I think at some point BK received some W-DNO buses which originated from the 104 and 238 at some point from U and I also remembered some going onto the 247 before it became a full double decker in 2004. I swear that year loads of single deckers got converted back to double decker hahaha.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 3, 2021 0:57:53 GMT
Worth mentioning that the Pointers of the 300 and 325 did often intermix with the ALX200s for the 62, 366 and 396 very frequently to a point some days both the 300 and 325 would be predominantly ALX200. Oh yes yes I remembered those V-MVX pointers for the 300 and 325 and the 52-reg on the 396. I think at some point BK received some W-DNO buses which originated from the 104 and 238 at some point from U and I also remembered some going onto the 247 before it became a full double decker in 2004. I swear that year loads of single deckers got converted back to double decker hahaha. I remember that time period far better than I should for a 5 year old lool. The 238 would still at the time see regular pointer and even the odd ALX200 appearance following its double decker conversion. There was a scheme either in the last 80s or early 90s where frequent single deckers fell out of fashion to less frequent double deckers and I think routes like the 62 and 145 fell victim to this scheme. Nonetheless it was clear that double deckers were required again and I think pretty much all routes now have reverted to double decker unless I've missed a few stragglers.
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Post by mkay315 on Mar 3, 2021 1:11:52 GMT
Oh yes yes I remembered those V-MVX pointers for the 300 and 325 and the 52-reg on the 396. I think at some point BK received some W-DNO buses which originated from the 104 and 238 at some point from U and I also remembered some going onto the 247 before it became a full double decker in 2004. I swear that year loads of single deckers got converted back to double decker hahaha. I remember that time period far better than I should for a 5 year old lool. The 238 would still at the time see regular pointer and even the odd ALX200 appearance following its double decker conversion. There was a scheme either in the last 80s or early 90s where frequent single deckers fell out of fashion to less frequent double deckers and I think routes like the 62 and 145 fell victim to this scheme. Nonetheless it was clear that double deckers were required again and I think pretty much all routes now have reverted to double decker unless I've missed a few stragglers. I think most are now back to the double deckers. I even remembered when the 230 was with Stagecoach and because of the trees near the Bisterne Avenue end of the route it had to be cut back to Whipps Cross as that was the only single decker route at T at the time but they managed to fix the trees in that area to allow the double deckers to operate on that route.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 3, 2021 1:17:04 GMT
What routes did the ALX200s operate? From the east London garages it was the 62, 296, 364 (P reg versions), 145, 287, 366, 230 and 276 off the top of my head. They did stray onto other routes though such as the 300 and 325 and D3 and 247. I'm not fully sure with regards to the South London garages. I know 181, 273 and 284 were amongst the list. Can anyone add on this for me? East London: LCY1-11 - London City Airport Shuttle SLD1-9 - 230 SLD10-19 - 364 SLD30-34 - New to something at SD, 276? SLD35-41 - 276 SLD50-58 - 100 SLD90-93 - 247 SLD94-106 - D3 SLD254-288 - Various BK routes SLD289-302 - 230 SLD328-346 - Various BK routes South East London: SLD20-29 - 314 SLD42-49 - P4 SLD59-71 - 269 SLD72-78 - 99 SLD79-84 - 178 SLD85-88 - 291 SLD89 - New to something at TB, 314? SLD237-248 - 124 SLD249-253 - 273 SLD303-312 - 181 SLD313-327 - 202 I welcome any corrections as I don't believe this is perfect
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Post by mkay315 on Mar 3, 2021 1:18:58 GMT
From the east London garages it was the 62, 296, 364 (P reg versions), 145, 287, 366, 230 and 276 off the top of my head. They did stray onto other routes though such as the 300 and 325 and D3 and 247. I'm not fully sure with regards to the South London garages. I know 181, 273 and 284 were amongst the list. Can anyone add on this for me? East London: LCY1-11 - London City Airport Shuttle SLD1-9 - 230 SLD10-19 - 364 SLD30-34 - New to something at SD, 276? SLD35-41 - 276 SLD50-58 - 100 SLD90-93 - 247 SLD94-106 - D3 SLD254-288 - Various BK routes SLD289-302 - 230 SLD328-346 - Various BK routes South East London: SLD20-29 - 314 SLD42-49 - P4 SLD59-71 - 269 SLD72-78 - 99 SLD79-84 - 178 SLD85-88 - 291 SLD89 - New to something at TB, 314? SLD237-248 - 124 SLD249-253 - 273 SLD303-312 - 181 SLD313-327 - 202 I welcome any corrections as I don't believe this is perfect The SLD328-346 was the batch for the 145 which moved to the 276.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 3, 2021 1:21:44 GMT
Oh yes yes I remembered those V-MVX pointers for the 300 and 325 and the 52-reg on the 396. I think at some point BK received some W-DNO buses which originated from the 104 and 238 at some point from U and I also remembered some going onto the 247 before it became a full double decker in 2004. I swear that year loads of single deckers got converted back to double decker hahaha. I remember that time period far better than I should for a 5 year old lool. The 238 would still at the time see regular pointer and even the odd ALX200 appearance following its double decker conversion. There was a scheme either in the last 80s or early 90s where frequent single deckers fell out of fashion to less frequent double deckers and I think routes like the 62 and 145 fell victim to this scheme. Nonetheless it was clear that double deckers were required again and I think pretty much all routes now have reverted to double decker unless I've missed a few stragglers. Thankfully, that scheme passed most Brixton routes by though the 345 was foolishly converted to Dart operation but still saw numerous double deckers stray from the many garages it worked from during the 90's though T's were the most common. The 118 also at some point had converted to step Darts and then DDL's on Sundays until 2001 when London General won the contract and it became a 24/7 double deck route
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Post by redexpress on Mar 3, 2021 6:53:48 GMT
From the east London garages it was the 62, 296, 364 (P reg versions), 145, 287, 366, 230 and 276 off the top of my head. They did stray onto other routes though such as the 300 and 325 and D3 and 247. I'm not fully sure with regards to the South London garages. I know 181, 273 and 284 were amongst the list. Can anyone add on this for me? East London: LCY1-11 - London City Airport Shuttle SLD1-9 - 230 SLD10-19 - 364 SLD30-34 - New to something at SD, 276? SLD35-41 - 276 SLD50-58 - 100 SLD90-93 - 247 SLD94-106 - D3 SLD254-288 - Various BK routes SLD289-302 - 230 SLD328-346 - Various BK routes South East London: SLD20-29 - 314 SLD42-49 - P4 SLD59-71 - 269 SLD72-78 - 99 SLD79-84 - 178 SLD85-88 - 291 SLD89 - New to something at TB, 314? SLD237-248 - 124 SLD249-253 - 273 SLD303-312 - 181 SLD313-327 - 202 I welcome any corrections as I don't believe this is perfect SLD30-41 were all for the 276 (12 buses for a PVR of 11 at the time). SLD30-34 were later switched to the new City Airport - Canning Town shuttle which was introduced in 1999. They were replaced on the 276 by new buses (some of the V-MVX Pointers I think).
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