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Post by SILENCED on Apr 29, 2021 9:50:11 GMT
It could be in the future if Abellio were to win or retain more double decker electric bus routes they may convert the N63 to electric if possible. But I’d imagine it’s harder if you only have so many electrics to go around and they need charging for the day service. Logistically it’s probably better for TfL/Abellio right now but the situation might change done the line. The buses ordered for the 63 are unsuitable for the N63, it's a bit like the situation with the 68 where LT's aren't suitable for the N68. Situations like this are likely to occur sometimes when the night service goes places that the daytime equivalent doesn't. Is this fact, opinion or fable?
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Post by greenboy on Apr 29, 2021 9:53:59 GMT
The buses ordered for the 63 are unsuitable for the N63, it's a bit like the situation with the 68 where LT's aren't suitable for the N68. Situations like this are likely to occur sometimes when the night service goes places that the daytime equivalent doesn't. Is this fact, opinion or fable? It's what has been reported on here and elsewhere so I've no reason to doubt it.
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 29, 2021 9:55:02 GMT
Is this fact, opinion or fable? It's what has been reported on here and elsewhere so I've no reason to doubt it. There is quite often reason to question or doubt what is posted on this forum
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 29, 2021 10:20:22 GMT
It's what has been reported on here and elsewhere so I've no reason to doubt it. There is quite often reason to question or doubt what is posted on this forum While I understand the scepticism, I think in this case it's probably one of the only reasons. After purchase cost, the electricity required to operate a bus is pretty much peanuts and the buses charge within 2 hours to a full charge so I don't see why the electrics would not be used at night if they could. The 43, 214, 94 and presumably the 69 will be fully using their electric buses at all hours of operation so I don't see why the N63 wouldn't if it could. It's probably actually cheaper to use an electric bus should they be available due to their lower running costs so if they've opted for standard Hybrids then there's probably something actually preventing it from happening.
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 29, 2021 11:18:49 GMT
There is quite often reason to question or doubt what is posted on this forum While I understand the scepticism, I think in this case it's probably one of the only reasons. After purchase cost, the electricity required to operate a bus is pretty much peanuts and the buses charge within 2 hours to a full charge so I don't see why the electrics would not be used at night if they could. The 43, 214, 94 and presumably the 69 will be fully using their electric buses at all hours of operation so I don't see why the N63 wouldn't if it could. It's probably actually cheaper to use an electric bus should they be available due to their lower running costs so if they've opted for standard Hybrids then there's probably something actually preventing it from happening. How about the physical location of the chargers in the garage making physically difficult to get the electric vehicles out once fully charged, as they will most like have other vehicles in front of them after x hours of charging.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 29, 2021 11:35:42 GMT
While I understand the scepticism, I think in this case it's probably one of the only reasons. After purchase cost, the electricity required to operate a bus is pretty much peanuts and the buses charge within 2 hours to a full charge so I don't see why the electrics would not be used at night if they could. The 43, 214, 94 and presumably the 69 will be fully using their electric buses at all hours of operation so I don't see why the N63 wouldn't if it could. It's probably actually cheaper to use an electric bus should they be available due to their lower running costs so if they've opted for standard Hybrids then there's probably something actually preventing it from happening. How about the physical location of the chargers in the garage making physically difficult to get the electric vehicles out once fully charged, as they will most like have other vehicles in front of them after x hours of charging. Would seem a bit off if this is the case, but entirely plausible. I'd imagine most garages would actually work patterns so that this doesn't happen, BK for example now has a completely new plan to allow electrics in and out at any time without disrupting the in and out flow of diesel buses for the 238 at night time, especially as these buses run into the garage throughout the night for their breaks. WL having two entrances I'd have thought at least one of them could be designed around chargers having easy access.
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Post by cl54 on Apr 29, 2021 13:29:42 GMT
Would seem a bit off if this is the case, but entirely plausible. I'd imagine most garages would actually work patterns so that this doesn't happen, BK for example now has a completely new plan to allow electrics in and out at any time without disrupting the in and out flow of diesel buses for the 238 at night time, especially as these buses run into the garage throughout the night for their breaks. WL having two entrances I'd have thought at least one of them could be designed around chargers having easy access. The herring bone charging arrangement at Waterloo is the simplest way. The vehicles on charge are clear of the space to allow others to move.
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 29, 2021 15:29:14 GMT
How about the physical location of the chargers in the garage making physically difficult to get the electric vehicles out once fully charged, as they will most like have other vehicles in front of them after x hours of charging. Would seem a bit off if this is the case, but entirely plausible. I'd imagine most garages would actually work patterns so that this doesn't happen, BK for example now has a completely new plan to allow electrics in and out at any time without disrupting the in and out flow of diesel buses for the 238 at night time, especially as these buses run into the garage throughout the night for their breaks. WL having two entrances I'd have thought at least one of them could be designed around chargers having easy access. When you have 1 route, maybe you can position them optimally. When you have a third route, when 2 routes may have taken the optimal positions, and you introduce a secondary charging system when all the optimal positions are taken ... Things maybe different
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Post by dashing0ne on Apr 29, 2021 16:23:25 GMT
It very much does given it is a service they are specifying and paying for. And as @gellico mentions adjustments would be needed if TfL wanted electric buses on the N63, vehicle types and from a engineering management view (charging etc) If it mattered TfL wouldn't have accepted the Abellio bid and if Abellio had spare hybrids for the 63 I'm sure they would have been accepted........ just like Stagecoach planning to operate the 180 with a mix of electrics and hybrids. Much musch cheaper to have N63 with hybrids, and there is absolutley nothing wrong with route N63 using hybrids.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 29, 2021 17:22:32 GMT
I think the N137 can't use LTs aswell.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 29, 2021 17:29:36 GMT
If it mattered TfL wouldn't have accepted the Abellio bid and if Abellio had spare hybrids for the 63 I'm sure they would have been accepted........ just like Stagecoach planning to operate the 180 with a mix of electrics and hybrids. Much musch cheaper to have N63 with hybrids, and there is absolutley nothing wrong with route N63 using hybrids. Reply in Abellio thread
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Post by galwhv69 on Apr 29, 2021 17:47:22 GMT
I think the N137 can't use LTs aswell. Yet the supposed bit in Crystal Palace has seen LT's do just fine when diverted on the 3 in daylight with more traffic
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Post by dashing0ne on Apr 29, 2021 17:49:28 GMT
Much musch cheaper to have N63 with hybrids, and there is absolutley nothing wrong with route N63 using hybrids. Reply in Abellio thread Been metioned in the first place in this thread hence answered here to avoid confusion.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 29, 2021 17:59:15 GMT
Been metioned in the first place in this thread hence answered here to avoid confusion. It hasn't and this is really going nowhere and is of no relevance to Stagecoach. Just a lot of supposition.
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Post by galwhv69 on May 2, 2021 13:13:00 GMT
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