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Post by Gellico on Jun 19, 2021 22:54:35 GMT
Fixed 5 year contract, expected and nothing all that unusual nowadays. Fixed 7 year terms are unprecedented, are you sure this is correct? I did read elsewhere that the 5 year contract for the 56 isn't fixed and there's a 2 year extension option but the 7 year one is indeed fixed for the 55, the 432 is also on a similar contract and I believe the 322 is too. These 7 year contracts are to do with electrics and to ensure maximum lifespan is taken out of them, although by the looks of it they're also being used on existing Hybrid bids case dependent to prevent a load of routes coming up at once which could need electrics and over-whelm manufacturers. The 56 would make sense on a fixed term 5 year contract so that the 61 plates WILL go in 2027. Not sure how an extension would work otherwise. I would be interested in reading the report and specification for removal of 2 year extensions, the new model offers less incentive to operators, it also assumes a full 14 year lifespan of vehicles and contracts being retained for 14 years in total for that maximum lifespan. I can understand the logic but it certainly does not seem fool proof, wonder how these will deal with inflation now the contracts are 1.4x longer.
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Post by redexpress on Jun 20, 2021 7:26:25 GMT
I did read elsewhere that the 5 year contract for the 56 isn't fixed and there's a 2 year extension option but the 7 year one is indeed fixed for the 55, the 432 is also on a similar contract and I believe the 322 is too. These 7 year contracts are to do with electrics and to ensure maximum lifespan is taken out of them, although by the looks of it they're also being used on existing Hybrid bids case dependent to prevent a load of routes coming up at once which could need electrics and over-whelm manufacturers. The 56 would make sense on a fixed term 5 year contract so that the 61 plates WILL go in 2027. Not sure how an extension would work otherwise. I would be interested in reading the report and specification for removal of 2 year extensions, the new model offers less incentive to operators, it also assumes a full 14 year lifespan of vehicles and contracts being retained for 14 years in total for that maximum lifespan. I can understand the logic but it certainly does not seem fool proof, wonder how these will deal with inflation now the contracts are 1.4x longer. IIRC part of the reasoning for moving to 7-year fixed contracts was the QIC bonus system is already enough of an incentive; operators will do whatever they can to get the maximum payments from each contract. The potential of a 2-year extension is just an added bonus. Given the administrative time and effort required (from TfL's point of view) to manage the extension system they felt that it was no longer worth bothering with.
As already mentioned the ability to spread infrastructure investments (e.g. for electrification) over 7 years rather than 5 was also a factor.
As for inflation I was under the impression that contracts already included a mechanism to adjust in line with inflation, but I could be wrong about that.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 21, 2021 19:28:59 GMT
Will RATP still use City Sightseeing branding on its TOOT tour buses now that Stagecoach are using the same branding? Has the franchise transferred to Stagecoach?
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Post by richard on Jun 22, 2021 12:04:59 GMT
The Ex 227 Citaro's have all been burnt out following an Arson attack in Cyprus.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 22, 2021 13:17:30 GMT
The Ex 227 Citaro's have all been burnt out following an Arson attack in Cyprus. The arson attack happened ages ago and IIRC, a few survived?
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Post by richard on Jun 22, 2021 13:52:34 GMT
The Ex 227 Citaro's have all been burnt out following an Arson attack in Cyprus. The arson attack happened ages ago and IIRC, a few survived? I'm not sure if any survived but it looks like they have come to a untimely end unfortunately.
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Post by VPL630 on Jun 22, 2021 15:40:30 GMT
The arson attack happened ages ago and IIRC, a few survived? I'm not sure if any survived but it looks like they have come to a untimely end unfortunately. A few survive
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Post by cc2005 on Jun 23, 2021 10:52:54 GMT
Will RATP still use City Sightseeing branding on its TOOT tour buses now that Stagecoach are using the same branding? Has the franchise transferred to Stagecoach? I'm not sure of the contractual arrangements, but don't believe RATP are involved with CitySightseeing at present. The current CitySightseeing contract is with Julia Group (Grupo Julià), although I'm not sure what the arrangement/contract is between Julia Group and Stagecoach in terms of vehicles/garage. However, Julia Group also used to run its own tour services under "London City Tour" pre-March 2020 (just like TooT ran The Original Tour alongside CitySightseeing), so not sure if that is also still in operation.
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Post by mkay315 on Jun 23, 2021 22:29:51 GMT
Hi all
I have a question. Does anyone know what route 10136-38 and 19828 has been allocated to in BK? I know 10136-38 came from TL and 19828 came from RM (PD originally)
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Post by busoccultation on Jun 24, 2021 6:44:32 GMT
Hi all I have a question. Does anyone know what route 10136-38 and 19828 has been allocated to in BK? I know 10136-38 came from TL and 19828 came from RM (PD originally) Those ones along with 19755 & 19839 are basically top ups to the 169 (4 buses) & the 179 (2 buses), with 10136/37 was allocated to the 173 until the electrics had entered serivce eariler in the year.
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Post by mkay315 on Jun 24, 2021 8:28:29 GMT
Hi all I have a question. Does anyone know what route 10136-38 and 19828 has been allocated to in BK? I know 10136-38 came from TL and 19828 came from RM (PD originally) Those ones along with 19755 & 19839 are basically top ups to the 169 (4 buses) & the 179 (2 buses), with 10136/37 was allocated to the 173 until the electrics had entered serivce eariler in the year. Cheers for that though I could have sworn 10136-38 has been at BK since 2018/9 from when there was a reshuffle between the 136, 169 and 247 buses. With the 136 taking the 169 intended smart hybrids and the 247 getting the 136 buses instead.
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Post by busoccultation on Jul 5, 2021 14:36:39 GMT
15025/28/29/31/32/34/35/48/73 and 36365/66 all recently been withdrawn from the school extras and now being transferred outside of London within Stagecoach with a single door conversion.
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Post by lazy_eye_metaphor on Jul 6, 2021 15:42:03 GMT
How is work going on installing charging infrastructure at PD?
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Post by 700101 on Jul 7, 2021 15:24:44 GMT
Noticed on the 181 batch of vehicles there a notice inside the cab with - “Under No circumstances must this bus be driving on the 284 route - Due to risk of grounding (No Risk Assessment)
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Post by elcesteem16 on Jul 7, 2021 15:50:19 GMT
Noticed on the 181 batch of vehicles there a notice inside the cab with - “Under No circumstances must this bus be driving on the 284 route - Due to risk of grounding (No Risk Assessment) Bit odd as the 284 batch are about 0.5m longer than the batch allocated to the 181. (181s are 10.4m and the 284s are 10.9m) Also abit odd as the batches are usually mixed up with each other on some days as I see daily being quite local to both routes. I’d assume it could be an old notice from when they started out after taking over from Metrobus
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