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Post by greenboy on Jul 8, 2022 5:33:01 GMT
The low bridge at Lower Sydenham means only single deckers at KB. Not necessarily, double deckers can access KB from Bell Green direction.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jul 8, 2022 7:00:49 GMT
The low bridge at Lower Sydenham means only single deckers at KB. I've seen pictures of a decker in KB. would work exactly the same as BW and WH- both depots very close to a low bridge or with with a low bridge on the "shortest" dead run route
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 8, 2022 7:11:34 GMT
The low bridge at Lower Sydenham means only single deckers at KB. I've seen pictures of a decker in KB. would work exactly the same as BW and WH- both depots very close to a low bridge or with with a low bridge on the "shortest" dead run route Indeed this is the case, deckers can approach from the other direction.
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Post by cl54 on Jul 8, 2022 9:07:51 GMT
I've seen pictures of a decker in KB. would work exactly the same as BW and WH- both depots very close to a low bridge or with with a low bridge on the "shortest" dead run route Indeed this is the case, deckers can approach from the other direction. Of course they can but the bridge has a history of removing the roof of double deckers based at Catford. In the past route 180 used to turn left immediately before the bridge and ran with double deckers. This meant that some drivers thought buses would fit under the bridge. It was decided that staff buses along the road would be single deckers. Only single deck routes are allocated to KB.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 8, 2022 9:12:31 GMT
Indeed this is the case, deckers can approach from the other direction. Of course they can but the bridge has a history of removing the roof of double deckers based at Catford. In the past route 180 used to turn left immediately before the bridge and ran with double deckers. This meant that some drivers thought buses would fit under the bridge. It was decided that staff buses along the road would be single deckers. Only single deck routes are allocated to KB. Its been mentioned in the past the full single decker allocation was just down to pure chance. If BW has no issue with deckers there is literally no different case at KB.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 8, 2022 10:15:09 GMT
Indeed this is the case, deckers can approach from the other direction. Of course they can but the bridge has a history of removing the roof of double deckers based at Catford.In the past route 180 used to turn left immediately before the bridge and ran with double deckers. This meant that some drivers thought buses would fit under the bridge. It was decided that staff buses along the road would be single deckers. Only single deck routes are allocated to KB. Rubbish... honestly that is a ridiculous excuse... The last time a bus hit that bridge was probably between 2000-2005 when the 75 was run with Tridents. In relation to the 180 sorry but those drivers who thought it would fit under the bridge should not have PCV license, stop making up excuses for drivers who do not pay attention to vehicle dimensions. I know which bridge you are on about the one at Hither Green, I have done a rail replacement there before it is obvious sense to turn left at the end of Springbank Road. Any driver of a Bus or a Lorry Must Know the vehicle dimensions that is taught in the training school. If for example Stagecoach won the 194 you would really use the excuse of that low bridge to stop it running from KB. The other day a lorry struck Shortlands bridge I hear of more lorries hitting bridges than buses. DT is near two low bridges and the entire garage is pretty much now double decker when I was there no bridges were hit. N is near a number of low bridges nearby. The Tulse Hill Bridge does not stop the 202s from using the South Circular to run light to Blackheath. Lancaster Avenue Avoids the low bridge. In addition I am sure there are many other garages near low bridges.
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Post by cl54 on Jul 8, 2022 10:44:58 GMT
Of course they can but the bridge has a history of removing the roof of double deckers based at Catford.In the past route 180 used to turn left immediately before the bridge and ran with double deckers. This meant that some drivers thought buses would fit under the bridge. It was decided that staff buses along the road would be single deckers. Only single deck routes are allocated to KB. Rubbish... honestly that is a ridiculous excuse... The last time a bus hit that bridge was probably between 2000-2005 when the 75 was run with Tridents. In relation to the 180 sorry but those drivers who thought it would fit under the bridge should not have PCV license, stop making up excuses for drivers who do not pay attention to vehicle dimensions. I know which bridge you are on about the one at Hither Green, I have done a rail replacement there before it is obvious sense to turn left at the end of Springbank Road. Any driver of a Bus or a Lorry Must Know the vehicle dimensions that is taught in the training school. If for example Stagecoach won the 194 you would really use the excuse of that low bridge to stop it running from KB. The other day a lorry struck Shortlands bridge I hear of more lorries hitting bridges than buses. DT is near two low bridges and the entire garage is pretty much now double decker when I was there no bridges were hit. N is near a number of low bridges nearby. The Tulse Hill Bridge does not stop the 202s from using the South Circular to run light to Blackheath. Lancaster Avenue Avoids the low bridge. In addition I am sure there are many other garages near low bridges. The bridge is not at Hither Green. It's just before the turn for the road to the garage. Changing to single deckers for the staff buses worked didn't it. Maintenance of KB's buses is done at Catford. The alternative route to avoid the bridge is via Catford Town Centre which is quite long.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 8, 2022 11:34:47 GMT
Rubbish... honestly that is a ridiculous excuse... The last time a bus hit that bridge was probably between 2000-2005 when the 75 was run with Tridents. In relation to the 180 sorry but those drivers who thought it would fit under the bridge should not have PCV license, stop making up excuses for drivers who do not pay attention to vehicle dimensions. I know which bridge you are on about the one at Hither Green, I have done a rail replacement there before it is obvious sense to turn left at the end of Springbank Road. Any driver of a Bus or a Lorry Must Know the vehicle dimensions that is taught in the training school. If for example Stagecoach won the 194 you would really use the excuse of that low bridge to stop it running from KB. The other day a lorry struck Shortlands bridge I hear of more lorries hitting bridges than buses. DT is near two low bridges and the entire garage is pretty much now double decker when I was there no bridges were hit. N is near a number of low bridges nearby. The Tulse Hill Bridge does not stop the 202s from using the South Circular to run light to Blackheath. Lancaster Avenue Avoids the low bridge. In addition I am sure there are many other garages near low bridges. The bridge is not at Hither Green. It's just before the turn for the road to the garage. Changing to single deckers for the staff buses worked didn't it. Maintenance of KB's buses is done at Catford. The alternative route to avoid the bridge is via Catford Town Centre which is quite long. Mate I do not really care if it worked or not, from your posting you just have a lazy mentality... Yes I am aware that the maintenance is done at TL I live in the area... The drivers and engineers at TL & KB are obviously all made aware of the Low Bridge of Southend Lane that you are too lazy to avoid. So what of it takes longer to go via Catford Town Centre unless your driving the Knight Bus from Prizoner or Azkaban the size of the vehicle will not magically get shorter for your lazy sake. If I had to drive for 20 mins longer to avoid low bridges then so be it. In addition
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Post by vjaska on Jul 8, 2022 11:41:36 GMT
Rubbish... honestly that is a ridiculous excuse... The last time a bus hit that bridge was probably between 2000-2005 when the 75 was run with Tridents. In relation to the 180 sorry but those drivers who thought it would fit under the bridge should not have PCV license, stop making up excuses for drivers who do not pay attention to vehicle dimensions. I know which bridge you are on about the one at Hither Green, I have done a rail replacement there before it is obvious sense to turn left at the end of Springbank Road. Any driver of a Bus or a Lorry Must Know the vehicle dimensions that is taught in the training school. If for example Stagecoach won the 194 you would really use the excuse of that low bridge to stop it running from KB. The other day a lorry struck Shortlands bridge I hear of more lorries hitting bridges than buses. DT is near two low bridges and the entire garage is pretty much now double decker when I was there no bridges were hit. N is near a number of low bridges nearby. The Tulse Hill Bridge does not stop the 202s from using the South Circular to run light to Blackheath. Lancaster Avenue Avoids the low bridge. In addition I am sure there are many other garages near low bridges. The bridge is not at Hither Green. It's just before the turn for the road to the garage. Changing to single deckers for the staff buses worked didn't it. Maintenance of KB's buses is done at Catford. The alternative route to avoid the bridge is via Catford Town Centre which is quite long. So you’ll be asking TfL to convert the 197 to single deckers as it runs right up to the low bridge in Norwood Junction before turning right just like your example of the staff bus you mentioned?
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Post by elcesteem16 on Jul 8, 2022 12:06:39 GMT
The low bridge at Lower Sydenham means only single deckers at KB. Not necessarily, as buses can still go around Bell Green into Catford. Obviously you wouldn’t run say the 136 or routes that go along Bromley Road from there as the deadrun (particularly for the 136) would be pointless especially if you have TL, but the 160/660/194/450 etc could easily run from there. It’s just a small Outstation so wouldn’t be able to fit the 160/660 in
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jul 8, 2022 13:12:27 GMT
Indeed this is the case, deckers can approach from the other direction. Of course they can but the bridge has a history of removing the roof of double deckers based at Catford. In the past route 180 used to turn left immediately before the bridge and ran with double deckers. This meant that some drivers thought buses would fit under the bridge. It was decided that staff buses along the road would be single deckers. Only single deck routes are allocated to KB. If you compare the amount of bus movements in the area, and potential to/from a garage running deckers compared the amount of buses that will go under the bridge, the ratio will be very, very small. When was the last time a decker was decapitated going under the bridge at Fairfield Road, or Manor Road?
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Post by vjaska on Jul 8, 2022 13:52:22 GMT
Of course they can but the bridge has a history of removing the roof of double deckers based at Catford. In the past route 180 used to turn left immediately before the bridge and ran with double deckers. This meant that some drivers thought buses would fit under the bridge. It was decided that staff buses along the road would be single deckers. Only single deck routes are allocated to KB. If you compare the amount of bus movements in the area, and potential to/from a garage running deckers compared the amount of buses that will go under the bridge, the ratio will be very, very small. When was the last time a decker was decapitated going under the bridge at Fairfield Road, or Manor Road? Exactly, besides the bridge in question at Lower Sydenham isn't a frequently struck bridge and a bus hasn't gone under it in many years now - in fact, most things that hit bridges in London nowadays seems more likely to be a HGV than a bus. Take the Tulse Hill Bridge on Thurlow Park Road which is part of the South Circular - this is one of the most struck bridges in the South of England yet a bus hasn't struck it in decades and that's despite a number of double decker routes on a number of occasions having to use part of Thurlow Park Road as a diversion route when Norwood Road is shut for various reasons. As I said earlier, the 197 actually drives right up to a low bridge before turning right & the same is similar for 403's who have two instances in the same area where they get very close to two separate low bridges before having to turn right on both occasions so if it's deemed acceptable for actual double decker bus routes to do, I don't see how dead running buses are an issue especially when garages actively show all the local hazards they might encounter in the area
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Post by danorak on Jul 8, 2022 17:39:56 GMT
There was certainly a period - in I think the late 2000s - when the Southend Lane bridge was being struck with depressing regularity. I can entirely understand why Stagecoach would choose to be risk-averse with operations from KB. There's no need to put double deckers into KB currently so why do it? If for example the 194 was gained, then maybe it would change, not least because you'd be removing the risk of a light run back to TL going that way.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 8, 2022 18:12:41 GMT
There was certainly a period - in I think the late 2000s - when the Southend Lane bridge was being struck with depressing regularity. I can entirely understand why Stagecoach would choose to be risk-averse with operations from KB. There's no need to put double deckers into KB currently so why do it? If for example the 194 was gained, then maybe it would change, not least because you'd be removing the risk of a light run back to TL going that way. Any light run whether it is near a low bridge or not, is at risk of going near a low bridge a road closure can happen at any time. It’s about using common sense and knowing the height of your vehicle. Should not be any exception for a bus garage just because of armchair observations. At any garage most drivers talk amongst each other and will know what roads to use and not use. Clarke Coaches has been based on Kangley Bridge Road for years whenever I see coaches they do not use Southend Lane...
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Post by greenboy on Jul 8, 2022 19:06:05 GMT
There was certainly a period - in I think the late 2000s - when the Southend Lane bridge was being struck with depressing regularity. I can entirely understand why Stagecoach would choose to be risk-averse with operations from KB. There's no need to put double deckers into KB currently so why do it? If for example the 194 was gained, then maybe it would change, not least because you'd be removing the risk of a light run back to TL going that way. Off the top of my head I can only recall one double decker hitting that bridge, a Trident on the 75 and coincidentally the same bus also hit the Shortlands low bridge, presumably with a different driver at the wheel? There probably have been other instances but I certainly can't recall the bridge being hit by double decker buses on a regular basis. You're more or less implying that drivers at KB can't be trusted to drive double deckers yet as previously mentioned the 180 used to go almost up to the bridge before turning left into Worsley Bridge Road and double deckers on rail replacement services still do without any problems.
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