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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 18, 2022 12:15:13 GMT
We all know N is one of the best garages around so I'd be shocked if their buses wern't in great condition. Haven't noticed any issues with Abellio or Go-Ahead down my way For Go-Ahead the DOEs are quite worn out, some SELs also when they existed. No surprise, 53/54 have survived well over a decade and the only withdrawal was because of fire. The DOE are in really good condition considering their age. The only problem is the body parts are likely hard to come by but they will make great sellers in the resale market because they are in good condition. Having E400 engines will help resale value as well. Arriva on the other hand, their older buses are just disgusting. I was in East London a few weeks ago and was shocked by the state of the 325s E200s. Slightly pink, poorly creased/ripped blinds and bits hanging off.
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Post by abellion on Aug 18, 2022 13:02:38 GMT
For Go-Ahead the DOEs are quite worn out, some SELs also when they existed. No surprise, 53/54 have survived well over a decade and the only withdrawal was because of fire. The DOE are in really good condition considering their age. The only problem is the body parts are likely hard to come by but they will make great sellers in the resale market because they are in good condition. Having E400 engines will help resale value as well. Arriva on the other hand, their older buses are just disgusting. I was in East London a few weeks ago and was shocked by the state of the 325s E200s. Slightly pink, poorly creased/ripped blinds and bits hanging off. The DOEs issues that I saw were mostly paint based anyway so their condition certainly isn't the worst. Arriva really sabotaged themselves with the orange pole and blue seat combo, it looks atrocious. Hopefully the coming years sees them pick up the pace with electrics.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 18, 2022 14:02:57 GMT
For Go-Ahead the DOEs are quite worn out, some SELs also when they existed. No surprise, 53/54 have survived well over a decade and the only withdrawal was because of fire. The DOE are in really good condition considering their age. The only problem is the body parts are likely hard to come by but they will make great sellers in the resale market because they are in good condition. Having E400 engines will help resale value as well. Arriva on the other hand, their older buses are just disgusting. I was in East London a few weeks ago and was shocked by the state of the 325s E200s. Slightly pink, poorly creased/ripped blinds and bits hanging off. The collection of Enviro 200's that Arriva have were never really great so I'm not shocked by that and most Euro IV examples across all companies are quite atrocious. The only major issue I have with the DOE's is the interior lighting has always been very dingy and poor, besides that very solid buses. Arriva's T's at N are in good condition largely because N has had higher standards for many years than a number of other Arriva garages Just in case your not aware, the engines in the DOE's are not solely confined to Enviro 400's - the Cummins engine is found in many ADL vehicles as well as vehicles from other manufactuers (for example, the DW's with Arriva and many Streetlites across multiple operators) - it's an engine manufacture that has been around for many decades now, even back in the step entrance era.
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 18, 2022 14:32:38 GMT
The DOE are in really good condition considering their age. The only problem is the body parts are likely hard to come by but they will make great sellers in the resale market because they are in good condition. Having E400 engines will help resale value as well. Arriva on the other hand, their older buses are just disgusting. I was in East London a few weeks ago and was shocked by the state of the 325s E200s. Slightly pink, poorly creased/ripped blinds and bits hanging off. The collection of Enviro 200's that Arriva have were never really great so I'm not shocked by that and most Euro IV examples across all companies are quite atrocious. The only major issue I have with the DOE's is the interior lighting has always been very dingy and poor, besides that very solid buses. Arriva's T's at N are in good condition largely because N has had higher standards for many years than a number of other Arriva garages Just in case your not aware, the engines in the DOE's are not solely confined to Enviro 400's - the Cummins engine is found in many ADL vehicles as well as vehicles from other manufactuers (for example, the DW's with Arriva and many Streetlites across multiple operators) - it's an engine manufacture that has been around for many decades now, even back in the step entrance era. Go Ahead did miss an opportunity to upgrade the lighting to LED but given how large the windows are it may have made them too bright. You are right about the engine. I meant to write about the chassis, which is an E400 I believe.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 18, 2022 15:57:54 GMT
See that 14129 has been given a small plaque with "In memory of Asghar Ali" on the nearside
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Post by Paul on Aug 18, 2022 17:23:05 GMT
See that 14129 has been given a small plaque with "In memory of Asghar Ali" on the nearside A number of Stagecoach buses have received plaques like these in memory of drivers lost to Covid-19
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Post by salmon on Aug 20, 2022 11:12:46 GMT
Stagecoach London seem to be suffering from a dire staff shortage. Over the past week many buses have been terminated at the changeover points because of staff cuts. Ends up causing gaps in the service.
Last night we were waiting 30+ mins for a 75 to turn up at Lewisham station…
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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 20, 2022 11:26:30 GMT
Stagecoach London seem to be suffering from a dire staff shortage. Over the past week many buses have been terminated at the changeover points because of staff cuts. Ends up causing gaps in the service. Last night we were waiting 30+ mins for a 75 to turn up at Lewisham station… companies across the UK are suffering major staff shortages- it's not a problem unique to Stagecoach London
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 20, 2022 11:33:57 GMT
Stagecoach London seem to be suffering from a dire staff shortage. Over the past week many buses have been terminated at the changeover points because of staff cuts. Ends up causing gaps in the service. Last night we were waiting 30+ mins for a 75 to turn up at Lewisham station… companies across the UK are suffering major staff shortages- it's not a problem unique to Stagecoach London I wonder whether there's any chance of this improving. A broke TfL, and operators racing to the bottom means if staff wages rise by too much they'll start losing routes as bids will be too high. Although the flip is what's the point of bidding for work if you're not going to be able to run it. The other way to combat this is to raise fares, although that'll certainly not be popular with the general public. So I'd imagine the final say does end up coming down to drivers, if you ask wages to be increased too much you'll just end up being shunted around garages as more operators lose routes more frequently.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 20, 2022 12:14:56 GMT
companies across the UK are suffering major staff shortages- it's not a problem unique to Stagecoach London I wonder whether there's any chance of this improving. A broke TfL, and operators racing to the bottom means if staff wages rise by too much they'll start losing routes as bids will be too high. Although the flip is what's the point of bidding for work if you're not going to be able to run it. The other way to combat this is to raise fares, although that'll certainly not be popular with the general public. So I'd imagine the final say does end up coming down to drivers, if you ask wages to be increased too much you'll just end up being shunted around garages as more operators lose routes more frequently. The fares are expected to be already going up come January - I think estimates stick at £1.90?
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Post by dragonman on Aug 20, 2022 12:32:12 GMT
Can anyone recommend a good stagecoach route to try, in terms of scenery and decent speeds?
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Post by dragonman on Aug 20, 2022 12:37:12 GMT
Can anyone recommend a good stagecoach route to try, in terms of scenery and decent speeds?
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 20, 2022 12:48:17 GMT
I wonder whether there's any chance of this improving. A broke TfL, and operators racing to the bottom means if staff wages rise by too much they'll start losing routes as bids will be too high. Although the flip is what's the point of bidding for work if you're not going to be able to run it. The other way to combat this is to raise fares, although that'll certainly not be popular with the general public. So I'd imagine the final say does end up coming down to drivers, if you ask wages to be increased too much you'll just end up being shunted around garages as more operators lose routes more frequently. The fares are expected to be already going up come January - I think estimates stick at £1.90? Tfl will probably start selling it now as £1.90 for 1 hours bus travel as opposed to a single fare now.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 20, 2022 12:57:48 GMT
The fares are expected to be already going up come January - I think estimates stick at £1.90? Tfl will probably start selling it now as £1.90 for 1 hours bus travel as opposed to a single fare now. I know it’s a increase but do think buses still offer excellent value for money especially with the 1 hour hopper and daily cap.
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Post by busoccultation on Aug 20, 2022 13:02:42 GMT
Stagecoach London seem to be suffering from a dire staff shortage. Over the past week many buses have been terminated at the changeover points because of staff cuts. Ends up causing gaps in the service. Last night we were waiting 30+ mins for a 75 to turn up at Lewisham station… I've noticed the driver shortages for Stagecoach have gone worse since last month presumably down to some of their drivers have gone off to Birmingham for the Commonwealth Games Shuttles and more cancellations on their London routes than lets say earlier in the year. Of course, then its the school holidays which of course drivers would more likely to spend some time off and less likely wanting to do an overtime on a rest day.
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