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Post by londonbusboy on Dec 3, 2020 13:47:45 GMT
It will not be anything like the existing garage. Buses will be parked out in the open. A maintenance area and offices and crew facilities under cover. Same as Morden Wharf. Accountants don't like covered bus garages. Expensive to maintain. Are covered bus garages really needed anymore? How many people keep cars in garages nowadays? Improvements to bodywork standards have made them largely redundant. The SPDs at TB used to freeze especially the doors so they were kept inside during freezing weather. At MB which is all outdoors i spent many cold mornings having to see the engineers for deicer (windscreen and cab window frozen shut)
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Post by snowman on Dec 3, 2020 16:51:34 GMT
Are covered bus garages really needed anymore? How many people keep cars in garages nowadays? Improvements to bodywork standards have made them largely redundant. The SPDs at TB used to freeze especially the doors so they were kept inside during freezing weather. At MB which is all outdoors i spent many cold mornings having to see the engineers for deicer (windscreen and cab window frozen shut) And some electric buses have had to be fitted with diesel heaters, because they are parked in open Not exactly cost saving doing that. I don’t think anyone is worried about the cost of building maintenance if it basically a concrete shell in someone else’s basement that is a basic parking area with concrete lid. More likely to be a cost of not utilising a chunk of land for anything other than parking when you could be selling or renting out the upstairs floors
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Post by bertrell on Dec 3, 2020 21:02:21 GMT
The big question is what would a 2020s garage look like Would it look like an old high ceiling vented space garage, or more a big parking area with rows of chargers, no diesel maintenance, and possibly a public square and apartments above. I suspect most developers would happily double the garage size if they got the airspace above it If you want an idea of what a 2020s garage would look like, look at West Ham and imagine it with rows of electric chargers. West Ham was a state-of-the-art green garage when it was built. The office block was deliberately sited at the north end as housing was due to be built on the adjacent site, having the offices there screens the housing from the aural and visual intrusion of the operational garage. Garages make a lot of noise early in the morning and in the late evening; unless you are a diehard enthusiast a bus garage does not make a good neighbour! Plumstead holds 135 under cover!
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Post by John tuthill on Dec 3, 2020 21:33:15 GMT
If you want an idea of what a 2020s garage would look like, look at West Ham and imagine it with rows of electric chargers. West Ham was a state-of-the-art green garage when it was built. The office block was deliberately sited at the north end as housing was due to be built on the adjacent site, having the offices there screens the housing from the aural and visual intrusion of the operational garage. Garages make a lot of noise early in the morning and in the late evening; unless you are a diehard enthusiast a bus garage does not make a good neighbour! Plumstead holds 135 under cover! Your ultimate 'under cover' has to be SW
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Post by bertrell on Dec 3, 2020 22:06:37 GMT
Plumstead holds 135 under cover! Your ultimate 'under cover' has to be SW West ham holds 330 buses, 90 inside & 240 outside. It has 26 Engineering pits in 30 bays! Source, my official 2016 Londoner programme guide.😁
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Post by adl on Dec 4, 2020 17:58:23 GMT
The entire 173 batch has now been registered on the Gov site.
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Post by John tuthill on Dec 4, 2020 21:11:46 GMT
Your ultimate 'under cover' has to be SW West ham holds 330 buses, 90 inside & 240 outside. It has 26 Engineering pits in 30 bays! Source, my official 2016 Londoner programme guide.😁 Ergo, not under cover
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Post by YY13VKP on Dec 4, 2020 23:21:17 GMT
According to LVF, 36582, which operated the first R7 journey under Stagecoach will fittingly work the last R7 under Stagecoach London tonight.
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Post by Paul on Dec 5, 2020 7:53:08 GMT
According to LVF, 36582, which operated the first R7 journey under Stagecoach will fittingly work the last R7 under Stagecoach London tonight. Sad to see the R7 go - lovely route and lovely passengers. Hope we see it again in five years time
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Post by mkay315 on Dec 5, 2020 11:06:51 GMT
Hello all
Does anyone know if 10198 is allocated to a specific route in PD or if it's a floating spare. I know 10199-205 went off lease and got sent to Plymouth earlier in the year and 10197 is in NS
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Post by busoccultation on Dec 5, 2020 11:22:43 GMT
Hello all Does anyone know if 10198 is allocated to a specific route in PD or if it's a floating spare. I know 10199-205 went off lease and got sent to Plymouth earlier in the year and 10197 is in NS Pretty much all of the diesel E400's at PD except the 12reg batch are allocated to the 422 on paper so that should include 10198 as a 422 bus.
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Post by LJ17THF on Dec 5, 2020 11:26:45 GMT
According to LVF, 36582, which operated the first R7 journey under Stagecoach will fittingly work the last R7 under Stagecoach London tonight. Sad to see the R7 go - lovely route and lovely passengers. Hope we see it again in five years time MB and TB always compete with each other with the same routes every 5 years which is quite interesting to see, and it's nice to see routes vary so much. It also gets operators to be competitive, which can be great for them.
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Post by enviroPB on Dec 5, 2020 15:25:05 GMT
Your ultimate 'under cover' has to be SW West ham holds 330 buses, 90 inside & 240 outside. It has 26 Engineering pits in 30 bays! Source, my official 2016 Londoner programme guide.😁 West Ham actually has the potential to hold up to 350 buses but as Stagecoach is leasing the site off TfL, its capacity is somewhat capped to allow buses new to London to get registered there. It's only second to First's Caledonia garage in Scotland which is the biggest bus garage in the UK. It holds a few buses shy of 500. Annoyingly I read a year or so ago that Caledonia expanded to have their capacity heightened by circa an extra 150 buses, but looking online now there is zilch to back that up. Must've been a proposal that inevitably wasn't picked up on.
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Post by cl54 on Dec 5, 2020 17:36:02 GMT
Hello all Does anyone know if 10198 is allocated to a specific route in PD or if it's a floating spare. I know 10199-205 went off lease and got sent to Plymouth earlier in the year and 10197 is in NS Pretty much all of the diesel E400's at PD except the 12reg batch are allocated to the 422 on paper so that should include 10198 as a 422 bus. PD have a apparent policy of any bus will do on most of their routes except where specific contracts rule this out. It was on the 472 yesterday.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Dec 5, 2020 20:32:27 GMT
If you want an idea of what a 2020s garage would look like, look at West Ham and imagine it with rows of electric chargers. West Ham was a state-of-the-art green garage when it was built. The office block was deliberately sited at the north end as housing was due to be built on the adjacent site, having the offices there screens the housing from the aural and visual intrusion of the operational garage. Garages make a lot of noise early in the morning and in the late evening; unless you are a diehard enthusiast a bus garage does not make a good neighbour! Talking of WH, if this garage is proposed to be much bigger I do wonder how big it actually will be. PD is already among the larger bus garages in London and is probably the second or third biggest in the Stagecoach London portfolio (alongside RM). Any bigger garage would certainly be a monster operation. PD is also a monster operation, in that it opened at Halloween (in 1981)
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