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Post by Ts_As on Sept 20, 2020 18:50:35 GMT
How come's HV's have 450 yet HT's don't? TfL probably told Arriva not to blind them for the 450, I don't think the DD's are actually suitable for the route, possibly due to the length (and height, some trees may have grown since 2017/2018). Seen a double deck climbing up at Beulah Hill years ago and the bus managed it
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Post by greenboy on Sept 20, 2020 19:00:02 GMT
The 202 stood at it's regular stand today alongside the 122 & 363 from pictures I've seen. The dead run isn't a problem despite the right only turn from the stand - 202's dead run could run via the Parade, College Road, Dulwich Wood Park, South Croxted Road, Park Hall Road, Robson Road and around the West Norwood one way system - some 417's would run dead via this routing. Whilst Park Hall Road does have a restriction involving buses with more than 8 seats, it only applies to buses in service. Actually, looking on Streetview, the signs on Park Hall Road are the standard "no buses" signs, so I reckon the restriction should apply to all buses, not just in-service ones. Indeed I thought the restriction was originally brought in because residents complained about dead-running buses, but that might be wrong.
Ironically one of the Streetview images shows a TfL diversion board directing 322s down the restricted part of road! Presumably dispensation was given.
I thought buses from N were not allowed to go that way and I can't really see why they need to, the 432 route is the obvious way from Crystal Palace back to N and via Crown Point in the opposite direction. As for the 202 the bus station is just a stand so surely buses to or from the garage wouldn't enter.
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Post by redexpress on Sept 20, 2020 20:14:48 GMT
Actually, looking on Streetview, the signs on Park Hall Road are the standard "no buses" signs, so I reckon the restriction should apply to all buses, not just in-service ones. Indeed I thought the restriction was originally brought in because residents complained about dead-running buses, but that might be wrong.
Ironically one of the Streetview images shows a TfL diversion board directing 322s down the restricted part of road! Presumably dispensation was given.
I thought buses from N were not allowed to go that way and I can't really see why they need to, the 432 route is the obvious way from Crystal Palace back to N and via Crown Point in the opposite direction. As for the 202 the bus station is just a stand so surely buses to or from the garage wouldn't enter. I think the issue arose when N ran the 176. Presumably some drivers used to go via Park Hall Road and the northern side of Crystal Palace Park to avoid the traffic on the Crystal Palace triangle. Otherwise I agree it seems easier to run via Central Hill etc.
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Post by Max B on Sept 20, 2020 20:19:23 GMT
Norwood HTs Blind Set 2 2X N2 157 202 249 417 468 690 N137 Even though it has a partial allocation at N, I’m surprised the 137 ain’t on there, and on the HV blinds, but are on the T’s as they were quite common during the morning peaks before the ULEZ kicked in.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 20, 2020 20:51:59 GMT
TfL probably told Arriva not to blind them for the 450, I don't think the DD's are actually suitable for the route, possibly due to the length (and height, some trees may have grown since 2017/2018). Seen a double deck climbing up at Beulah Hill years ago and the bus managed it Beulah Hill is the main road where the 196, 249 & 468 ran - I presume you mean Spa Hill? I've personally seen a double decker run down Spa Hill before however Spa Hill is not a twisty or tight road so shouldn't be used as any judgement. The fact the 450 has never seen anything longer than 9.5m single deckers would suggest there is possibly a restriction along the route - if I was to guess, possibly the left turn from Brigstock Road into Bensham Manor Lane. I've seen a DLA use the non bus section of Bensham Manor Lane before.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 20, 2020 20:53:48 GMT
Actually, looking on Streetview, the signs on Park Hall Road are the standard "no buses" signs, so I reckon the restriction should apply to all buses, not just in-service ones. Indeed I thought the restriction was originally brought in because residents complained about dead-running buses, but that might be wrong. Ironically one of the Streetview images shows a TfL diversion board directing 322s down the restricted part of road! Presumably dispensation was given.
I thought buses from N were not allowed to go that way and I can't really see why they need to, the 432 route is the obvious way from Crystal Palace back to N and via Crown Point in the opposite direction. As for the 202 the bus station is just a stand so surely buses to or from the garage wouldn't enter. It is quicker to go that way then sit in the traffic jam on Central Hill which would suggest why mainly 417 drivers would run that way - the times I saw it were in the middle of the day which would make sense with avoiding Central Hill.
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Post by Max B on Sept 20, 2020 21:05:00 GMT
Seen a double deck climbing up at Beulah Hill years ago and the bus managed it if I was to guess, possibly the left turn from Brigstock Road into Bensham Manor Lane. I've seen a DLA use the non bus section of Bensham Manor Lane before. Bensham Manor Road (not lane) is the second turning on Brigstock Road heading into Croydon, the fourth is Bensham Lane (which I know you meant), and I remember the time when the 50 and 468 had to go down Bensham Manor Road when the section of the bridge on Whitehorse Road and Thornton Heath High Street was closed a few years back.
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Post by LJ17THF on Sept 20, 2020 21:11:35 GMT
Seen a double deck climbing up at Beulah Hill years ago and the bus managed it Beulah Hill is the main road where the 196, 249 & 468 ran - I presume you mean Spa Hill? I've personally seen a double decker run down Spa Hill before however Spa Hill is not a twisty or tight road so shouldn't be used as any judgement. The fact the 450 has never seen anything longer than 9.5m single deckers would suggest there is possibly a restriction along the route - if I was to guess, possibly the left turn from Brigstock Road into Bensham Manor Lane. I've seen a DLA use the non bus section of Bensham Manor Lane before. I think Kingswood Estate is the culprit here, on Kingswood Drive, the trees hang quite low, plus the roads are quite twisty, however they are rather wide. There's also the junction between Harold Road and Chevening Road, where buses would have to pull out quite far to go onto Chevening Road without mounting the pavement - there are also quite a few parked cars on that street alongside some pretty low trees.
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Post by galwhv69 on Sept 20, 2020 22:12:06 GMT
Whilst I don't think it would be impossible, it would certainly be tricky getting a double decker on the 450. Though Spa Hill is less steep than Fox Hill (;D), it's still pretty steep and sometimes when using the 450 you can hear the SLS's struggling
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Post by Ts_As on Sept 20, 2020 22:23:08 GMT
Seen a double deck climbing up at Beulah Hill years ago and the bus managed it Beulah Hill is the main road where the 196, 249 & 468 ran - I presume you mean Spa Hill? I've personally seen a double decker run down Spa Hill before however Spa Hill is not a twisty or tight road so shouldn't be used as any judgement. The fact the 450 has never seen anything longer than 9.5m single deckers would suggest there is possibly a restriction along the route - if I was to guess, possibly the left turn from Brigstock Road into Bensham Manor Lane. I've seen a DLA use the non bus section of Bensham Manor Lane before. Nope where 450 runs, I really thought the Double deck bus would struggle since it was a Plaxton President but it turns out the bus managed the steep hill.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 20, 2020 23:55:02 GMT
Beulah Hill is the main road where the 196, 249 & 468 ran - I presume you mean Spa Hill? I've personally seen a double decker run down Spa Hill before however Spa Hill is not a twisty or tight road so shouldn't be used as any judgement. The fact the 450 has never seen anything longer than 9.5m single deckers would suggest there is possibly a restriction along the route - if I was to guess, possibly the left turn from Brigstock Road into Bensham Manor Lane. I've seen a DLA use the non bus section of Bensham Manor Lane before. Nope where 450 runs, I really thought the Double deck bus would struggle since it was a Plaxton President but it turns out the bus managed the steep hill. Why would it struggle just because it's a Plaxton President?
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Post by vjaska on Sept 20, 2020 23:55:56 GMT
Whilst I don't think it would be impossible, it would certainly be tricky getting a double decker on the 450. Though Spa Hill is less steep than Fox Hill (;D), it's still pretty steep and sometimes when using the 450 you can hear the SLS's struggling The couple of times I've had a SLS, they managed the hills fine, better than the PDL's did in fact
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Post by Ts_As on Sept 21, 2020 3:05:41 GMT
Nope where 450 runs, I really thought the Double deck bus would struggle since it was a Plaxton President but it turns out the bus managed the steep hill. Why would it struggle just because it's a Plaxton President? Haven’t seen a double deck on Beulah Hill that’s why.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 21, 2020 3:09:17 GMT
Why would it struggle just because it's a Plaxton President? Haven’t seen a double deck on Beulah Hill that’s why. What does Beulah Hill have to do with the 450 considering it near enough crosses over it - the 196 has seen PVL's in the past run along Beulah Hill without issue which isn't much of a hill anyway. The 450's steep hill is Spa Hill as I already pointed out.
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Post by Ts_As on Sept 21, 2020 4:53:07 GMT
Haven’t seen a double deck on Beulah Hill that’s why. What does Beulah Hill have to do with the 450 considering it near enough crosses over it - the 196 has seen PVL's in the past run along Beulah Hill without issue which isn't much of a hill anyway. The 450's steep hill is Spa Hill as I already pointed out. Well obviously you know I meant that steep hill and no I’m not talking about 196 or any other double deck buses, the bus was a non-tfl one that I saw.
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