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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 28, 2021 13:05:14 GMT
They may well be from 1st March, but they currently appear regularly on any DT double deck route. Both buses are fine vehicles to travel in as a passenger by the way. In my opinion there clearly is some sort of double deck issue at DT. Today at one stage there were 4 single deckers on the 160 and a further two on the 229. That cannot possibly be a good thing. I took a walk around the yard on Friday and there was a lot of double deckers parked up, the majority of them DWs & HVs. I now see why Stagecoach were so quick to get rid of 13001-13032, some of the reliability issues with HVs are just ongoing, I expected better from Volvo they are nice to drive that’s the only good thing. Even speaking to Volvo he has had the same experiences at RATP on the 139. I really wouldn’t be surprised if they get rid of 13061-13099 at the next tenders for Routes 47 & 177. I do think it’s a shame that we have had so much DD shortage. I do hope things get better in the next two weeks. With capacity restrictions I do think reduced sized buses should not go on 160 229 269 428 492 that are on the blinds of various single deckers. I remember it was mentioned on a few groups elsewhere that the reason Stagecoach also stopped ordering the B5LH/MMC combo was due to poor after sales support from Volvo and soon after this Go Ahead abandoned Volvo too with the 22s buses being the last batch after apparently suffering issues with the exhaust system. I wonder with DT if there's scope for some spare deckers following the 160 loss to stick around for a bit to handle the shortage, it certainly helped at DX when the 128 left when a few VLAs stuck around until the lockdown reductions which effectively put an end to the single decker strays on the 173 apart from a few stragglers.
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 28, 2021 13:12:03 GMT
I took a walk around the yard on Friday and there was a lot of double deckers parked up, the majority of them DWs & HVs. I now see why Stagecoach were so quick to get rid of 13001-13032, some of the reliability issues with HVs are just ongoing, I expected better from Volvo they are nice to drive that’s the only good thing. Even speaking to Volvo he has had the same experiences at RATP on the 139. I really wouldn’t be surprised if they get rid of 13061-13099 at the next tenders for Routes 47 & 177. I do think it’s a shame that we have had so much DD shortage. I do hope things get better in the next two weeks. With capacity restrictions I do think reduced sized buses should not go on 160 229 269 428 492 that are on the blinds of various single deckers. I remember it was mentioned on a few groups elsewhere that the reason Stagecoach also stopped ordering the B5LH/MMC combo was due to poor after sales support from Volvo and soon after this Go Ahead abandoned Volvo too with the 22s buses being the last batch after apparently suffering issues with the exhaust system. I wonder with DT if there's scope for some spare deckers following the 160 loss to stick around for a bit to handle the shortage, it certainly helped at DX when the 128 left when a few VLAs stuck around until the lockdown reductions which effectively put an end to the single decker strays on the 173 apart from a few stragglers. Speaking of DX the same has happened at GY now too with the 66 & 370. That’s 7 months away however.
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 28, 2021 13:53:46 GMT
They don't appear to have a shortage of available HVs. All the routes that seem to have them allocated seem to be operated by them without issue. From a LVF armchair point of view yes maybe... and also those garages have greater amounts of spare HVs Yet again staff having a high and mighty attitude that non-staff are too thick to know anything.
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Post by TB123 on Feb 28, 2021 14:47:08 GMT
From a LVF armchair point of view yes maybe... and also those garages have greater amounts of spare HVs Yet again staff having a high and mighty attitude that non-staff are too thick to know anything. Because where you don't work for Arriva, or any bus operator in general, you'd be unlikely to have that detailed a knowledge of how things tick over behind the scenes? DT 11 is just being factual, nothing deeper than that.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 1, 2021 0:07:20 GMT
I took a walk around the yard on Friday and there was a lot of double deckers parked up, the majority of them DWs & HVs. I now see why Stagecoach were so quick to get rid of 13001-13032, some of the reliability issues with HVs are just ongoing, I expected better from Volvo they are nice to drive that’s the only good thing. Even speaking to Volvo he has had the same experiences at RATP on the 139. I really wouldn’t be surprised if they get rid of 13061-13099 at the next tenders for Routes 47 & 177. I do think it’s a shame that we have had so much DD shortage. I do hope things get better in the next two weeks. With capacity restrictions I do think reduced sized buses should not go on 160 229 269 428 492 that are on the blinds of various single deckers. BN, WN and N do not seem to have any issues with them. Why does the company share successful experiences? They do at times. It was better when Arriva had Volvo contracted to do most major maintenance at the garage. Over the past year the contract has ended at many garages and the expertise from Volvo was far better than another contractor. Some do have re-occuring issue, and it is worse when the hybrid batteries are near on their way out or gearbox clutches are shot. The ex Stagecoach HV's were in a terrible condition mechanically, Stagecoach may make them look good on the outside, but the mechanicals were ropey, and I think this was done to leave minimal maintenance when they knew they would not be bothered to keep them.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 1, 2021 0:09:56 GMT
They don't appear to have a shortage of available HVs. All the routes that seem to have them allocated seem to be operated by them without issue. There are days that many are down, or the odd garage would have NSB's
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 1, 2021 0:28:03 GMT
I took a walk around the yard on Friday and there was a lot of double deckers parked up, the majority of them DWs & HVs. I now see why Stagecoach were so quick to get rid of 13001-13032, some of the reliability issues with HVs are just ongoing, I expected better from Volvo they are nice to drive that’s the only good thing. Even speaking to Volvo he has had the same experiences at RATP on the 139. I really wouldn’t be surprised if they get rid of 13061-13099 at the next tenders for Routes 47 & 177. I do think it’s a shame that we have had so much DD shortage. I do hope things get better in the next two weeks. With capacity restrictions I do think reduced sized buses should not go on 160 229 269 428 492 that are on the blinds of various single deckers. I remember it was mentioned on a few groups elsewhere that the reason Stagecoach also stopped ordering the B5LH/MMC combo was due to poor after sales support from Volvo and soon after this Go Ahead abandoned Volvo too with the 22s buses being the last batch after apparently suffering issues with the exhaust system. I wonder with DT if there's scope for some spare deckers following the 160 loss to stick around for a bit to handle the shortage, it certainly helped at DX when the 128 left when a few VLAs stuck around until the lockdown reductions which effectively put an end to the single decker strays on the 173 apart from a few stragglers. The problems with B5LH's when they go bad seem to be cooling system issues, gearbox clutches, hybrid battery issues, brake system failures with air pressure problems with compressors. [DT]'s problems is also down to budget spend where certain buses are awaiting parts, which requires certain approval. The days are long gone where as 10 plus years ago a lot of parts were stocked in garages. Things should change there over the coming weeks.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 1, 2021 0:33:10 GMT
From a LVF armchair point of view yes maybe... and also those garages have greater amounts of spare HVs Yet again staff having a high and mighty attitude that non-staff are too thick to know anything. I would not say it as that. [WN] and [BN] has a higher pvr so more spares, but this does not mean their routes do not suffer for NSB's It can also be down to other buses like DW's off the road causing problems or at times HV's The worst is Monday mornings as lack of engineering staff working on weekends any major faults are left to Monday, especially electrical work what the electrician would do.
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 1, 2021 16:14:24 GMT
From a LVF armchair point of view yes maybe... and also those garages have greater amounts of spare HVs Yet again staff having a high and mighty attitude that non-staff are too thick to know anything. PM Peak Gemini 2 HVs only BN have 49 out of 58 in service 84.4% availability DT have 14 out of 19 in service 73.6% availability AD have 23 out of 27 in service 85.1% availability WN have 40 out of 48 in service 83.3% availability
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Post by Trafalgax on Mar 1, 2021 16:26:23 GMT
Yet again staff having a high and mighty attitude that non-staff are too thick to know anything. PM Peak Gemini 2 HVs only BN have 49 out of 58 in service 84.4% availability DT have 14 out of 19 in service 73.6% availability AE have 23 out of 27 in service 85.1% availability WN have 40 out of 48 in service 83.3% availability I don’t think AE have Gemini 2 HVs, but they do get spare Gemini 3 HVs from CT to go on 78 sometimes.
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 1, 2021 16:27:22 GMT
PM Peak Gemini 2 HVs only BN have 49 out of 58 in service 84.4% availability DT have 14 out of 19 in service 73.6% availability AD have 23 out of 27 in service 85.1% availability WN have 40 out of 48 in service 83.3% availability I don’t think AE have Gemini 2 HVs, but they do get spare Gemini 3 HVs from CT to go on 78 sometimes. Sorry should be AD as the 4th garages with G2 HVs
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Post by dashing0ne on Mar 1, 2021 17:12:07 GMT
History Question: What routes did Beddington Farm (CN) garage ever operate?
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Post by mrcoulthurst on Mar 1, 2021 17:22:31 GMT
History Question: What routes did Beddington Farm (CN) garage ever operate? Of the top of my head 264 410 450 455 289 403 407 Going back I'm sure the 400 and 409 was operated from there
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 1, 2021 17:28:38 GMT
History Question: What routes did Beddington Farm (CN) garage ever operate? Of the top of my head 264 410 450 455 289 403 407 Going back I'm sure the 400 and 409 was operated from there You can add 315, 367 & 404 to that list, as well as 78 & 176 going back. Edit. Add the 127 & S1 to the list
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Post by redexpress on Mar 1, 2021 20:46:56 GMT
History Question: What routes did Beddington Farm (CN) garage ever operate? As far as I can tell:
London routes: 57, 60, 78, 127, 138, 176, 264, 289, 315, 367, 400, 403, 405, 407, 410, 450, 455, 627, N264, S1.
Commercial routes: 404, 405, 408, 409, 410, 421. There may be others, there were lots of allocation changes when London & Country were in the process of closing down their other garages.
Private contract for Royal Mail: 653.
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