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Post by mkay315 on Jul 28, 2021 14:42:21 GMT
The cameras have been put up in all parts of London that the boundary will be in. A friend of mine that lives in Clapham showed me a picture of where some cameras have been put up around Poynders Road. October is going to be very interesting. Also with the buses too. The new ULEZ rules don't change anything for buses. No in the sense how many buses over the next decade will disappear from the roads, starting from October when the rules gets tougher with the cars. Buses I know its already started.
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 28, 2021 15:50:57 GMT
The new ULEZ rules don't change anything for buses. No in the sense how many buses over the next decade will disappear from the roads, starting from October when the rules gets tougher with the cars. Buses I know its already started. Considering that buses in London typically have a 10-14 year service life, it is only to be expected that much of the fleet will have changed in ten years. Just look at photos from 2011, when there weren't even any LTs.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jul 28, 2021 16:12:00 GMT
No in the sense how many buses over the next decade will disappear from the roads, starting from October when the rules gets tougher with the cars. Buses I know its already started. Considering that buses in London typically have a 10-14 year service life, it is only to be expected that much of the fleet will have changed in ten years. Just look at photos from 2011, when there weren't even any LTs. I do miss Tridents and Presidents. I miss the K5's Solos the most though.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 28, 2021 17:56:02 GMT
Can I just ask post bendy conversion why was the 38 run with 70 DWs/Ts? That seemed like a ridiculously high number of buses to use on the 38 - and then in total it went up to a PVR of 73 when the first LT prototypes were introduced. Was there any justification for this given the 25 ran with double the usage yet 10 or so less buses and the 38s only had about at most 3 people per bus?
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 28, 2021 18:54:31 GMT
Can I just ask post bendy conversion why was the 38 run with 70 DWs/Ts? That seemed like a ridiculously high number of buses to use on the 38 - and then in total it went up to a PVR of 73 when the first LT prototypes were introduced. Was there any justification for this given the 25 ran with double the usage yet 10 or so less buses and the 38s only had about at most 3 people per bus? Why did routes such as the 38 receive PVR increases when converting to DDs - surely DDs would offer more capacity than bendys?
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 28, 2021 19:08:30 GMT
Can I just ask post bendy conversion why was the 38 run with 70 DWs/Ts? That seemed like a ridiculously high number of buses to use on the 38 - and then in total it went up to a PVR of 73 when the first LT prototypes were introduced. Was there any justification for this given the 25 ran with double the usage yet 10 or so less buses and the 38s only had about at most 3 people per bus? Why did routes such as the 38 receive PVR increases when converting to DDs - surely DDs would offer more capacity than bendys? I didn't think it would go up to 70
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Post by redexpress on Jul 28, 2021 19:15:13 GMT
Can I just ask post bendy conversion why was the 38 run with 70 DWs/Ts? That seemed like a ridiculously high number of buses to use on the 38 - and then in total it went up to a PVR of 73 when the first LT prototypes were introduced. Was there any justification for this given the 25 ran with double the usage yet 10 or so less buses and the 38s only had about at most 3 people per bus? Why did routes such as the 38 receive PVR increases when converting to DDs - surely DDs would offer more capacity than bendys? No. Artics had a theoretical capacity of around 149, although I believe TfL assumed a capacity of 120 for planning purposes. That's still a lot more than a TfL DD which has a capacity of 87-90.
The 38 and 507/521 were the first routes to lose their artics, and it was politically important that the loss of artics did not result in overcrowding, so TfL played it safe by specifying extra capacity. It was quickly realised that this was excessive, so subsequent conversions did not specify so much extra capacity, and the 38's frequency was soon reduced.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 28, 2021 19:16:47 GMT
Can I just ask post bendy conversion why was the 38 run with 70 DWs/Ts? That seemed like a ridiculously high number of buses to use on the 38 - and then in total it went up to a PVR of 73 when the first LT prototypes were introduced. Was there any justification for this given the 25 ran with double the usage yet 10 or so less buses and the 38s only had about at most 3 people per bus? The PVR was 72 from memory when converted and I believe the high PVR was done to effectively ease the conversion from MA’s to DW’s & T’s so as not to be caught out if they specified too low a PVR & frequency to match demand given it was the first one to be done. As every conversion happened, the safety net on each one was reduced so the PVR bump wasn’t as large EDIT: redexpress beat me to it
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 28, 2021 20:29:26 GMT
Can I just ask post bendy conversion why was the 38 run with 70 DWs/Ts? That seemed like a ridiculously high number of buses to use on the 38 - and then in total it went up to a PVR of 73 when the first LT prototypes were introduced. Was there any justification for this given the 25 ran with double the usage yet 10 or so less buses and the 38s only had about at most 3 people per bus? The PVR was 72 from memory when converted and I believe the high PVR was done to effectively ease the conversion from MA’s to DW’s & T’s so as not to be caught out if they specified too low a PVR & frequency to match demand given it was the first one to be done. As every conversion happened, the safety net on each one was reduced so the PVR bump wasn’t as large EDIT: redexpress beat me to it I think it was awarded as 72 but stated off with 70 when it was decided to cut every other bus to Hackney Central Monday to Fridays.
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Post by mkay315 on Jul 29, 2021 7:23:00 GMT
The PVR was 72 from memory when converted and I believe the high PVR was done to effectively ease the conversion from MA’s to DW’s & T’s so as not to be caught out if they specified too low a PVR & frequency to match demand given it was the first one to be done. As every conversion happened, the safety net on each one was reduced so the PVR bump wasn’t as large EDIT: redexpress beat me to it I think it was awarded as 72 but stated off with 70 when it was decided to cut every other bus to Hackney Central Monday to Fridays. That was when people started to realise the bendybuses were on their way out in 2009
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Post by thesquirrels on Jul 29, 2021 7:50:17 GMT
If allegedly an unused garage in North London is being retrofitted with electric charging facilities (I assume Stamford Hill), there could be plans for the 73 and 243 as central London routes to go fully electric in future, that could allow HVs to move and replace older stuff if required. (Speculation ) ULEZ comes into force in outer London (N and S Circular roads) in October Used car dealers are taking advantage of the ULEZ! No bargains around! I was thinking of getting a new car but some prices are silly.
Sorry very off topic Quickly indulging in this OT tangent to say that my fairly economical german petrol hatchback is now worth the same with 9,000 extra miles on it as what I paid for it, used, last September!
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Post by thesquirrels on Jul 29, 2021 7:54:59 GMT
The PVR was 72 from memory when converted and I believe the high PVR was done to effectively ease the conversion from MA’s to DW’s & T’s so as not to be caught out if they specified too low a PVR & frequency to match demand given it was the first one to be done. As every conversion happened, the safety net on each one was reduced so the PVR bump wasn’t as large EDIT: redexpress beat me to it I think it was awarded as 72 but stated off with 70 when it was decided to cut every other bus to Hackney Central Monday to Fridays. The 38 was a bit of a special case in getting a less harsh PVR reduction than some other routes on conversion from DD operation - lessons had been learned from the issues on earlier conversions such as the 25, then a generous PVR increase relative to bendy vehicle capacity on return to double deck operation. Double bump, as it were.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 29, 2021 10:09:26 GMT
Used car dealers are taking advantage of the ULEZ! No bargains around! I was thinking of getting a new car but some prices are silly.
Sorry very off topic The cameras have been put up in all parts of London that the boundary will be in. A friend of mine that lives in Clapham showed me a picture of where some cameras have been put up around Poynders Road. October is going to be very interesting. Also with the buses too. It is the same type as the existing LEZ and CC camera's usually painted black and a pair of 3 in either carriageway direction. Only a few has 2 cameras for one carriageway direction.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 29, 2021 10:16:11 GMT
Can I just ask post bendy conversion why was the 38 run with 70 DWs/Ts? That seemed like a ridiculously high number of buses to use on the 38 - and then in total it went up to a PVR of 73 when the first LT prototypes were introduced. Was there any justification for this given the 25 ran with double the usage yet 10 or so less buses and the 38s only had about at most 3 people per bus? Because they assumed if could have been swamped, especially as dwell time would have been longer and the bendy buses were running near full; however that was also down to it being free (in some ways), many people would use it for a few stops instead of walking. Also the next other factor that took a lot of passengers away from the 38 was when the North London line was reopened and was more reliable. Its standard 3 carriage layout then became, 4 which was not enough then ended up being 5 carriage. Also frequency was upped a lot. The 38 lost a lot of passengers between Hackney Central and Dalston and to Victoria as people use the North London line and Victoria line. The section between Hackney Central - Highbury & Islington then Victoria line is now very busy.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 29, 2021 10:20:22 GMT
Can I just ask post bendy conversion why was the 38 run with 70 DWs/Ts? That seemed like a ridiculously high number of buses to use on the 38 - and then in total it went up to a PVR of 73 when the first LT prototypes were introduced. Was there any justification for this given the 25 ran with double the usage yet 10 or so less buses and the 38s only had about at most 3 people per bus? Why did routes such as the 38 receive PVR increases when converting to DDs - surely DDs would offer more capacity than bendys? It was based on the bendy's taking 140 passengers. Although that was never really tried and tested and was more to do with axle weights per passenger and floor space.
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