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Post by ServerKing on May 18, 2020 8:01:37 GMT
Obviously BUSES magazine is lying too (May 2006 copy) Dont want to get too involved but Buses magazine can be a bit clumsy and makes mistakes on occasions. I don't know where they got this information from posted in this month's magazine. Totally wrong
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Post by Londontransport3 on May 18, 2020 20:49:55 GMT
Dont want to get too involved but Buses magazine can be a bit clumsy and makes mistakes on occasions. I don't know where they got this information from posted in this month's magazine. Totally wrong My DLA Next to it I see
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 19, 2020 12:24:56 GMT
I cant see any reason why it cannot fit, as the engine bay area is the same size. As with normal engine conversion, many ancillaries would have to be changed and engine mounts fabricated to suit. Although these days the cost would far outweigh doing a conversion. It is almost as bad as the vantage hybrids, cost wise makes little sense. If we didn't have the throw away culture of buses in London, this could have been done. Engine conversions in London seems to have gone. The days of re-engine Fleetlines, Routemasters, Leyland Nationals have come a cropper.
In addition to the suggested B9TL engine there would be the euro6 spec exhaust system, which would require a larger engine bay for their fitting. I cannot see how this would not be possible if the framework inside the rear lower deck is the same. The exhaust area for the B7TL was small. The same way the E400 has had 4 different euro spec engines over the years. The first euro3 was Spirit of London, then the norm was euro4 until around 2009 then we got euro5 which had radiator repositioned and exhaust changed over. With euro6 the last few there was additional cooling vents.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 19, 2020 12:32:15 GMT
South London had plenty of new vehicles - N had a batch of DLA's & a shed load of VLA's new, DW's new to TC, BA, CN & BN, DLA's new to TC, BN & TH & VLA's new to BN as well Exactly, it wasn't a North vs South thing. When there was a huge influx of new buses in 2002-04, some garages got lucky and were allocated new buses when they weren't due any, while others got a rough deal and had to make to with existing buses even though their routes had been awarded with new buses. Norwood were one of the lucky garages; they were given a whole batch of new VLAs (1-55) even though they only needed a few buses for a part allocation on the 176; the 2, 68 and X68 weren't due new buses at all. Croydon and Beddington got new buses for all of their new contracts. Clapton and Thornton Heath were among the garages that lost out. From 2002-2004 didn't [CT] gain the DLA's of euro3 that were put on the 253/254 but made odd workings on the 242.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 19, 2020 12:48:07 GMT
The unexplained oddity of 2000 is that LBSL/TfL were short of cash, having spent quite a lot on those early low-floor DD conversions. The Norwood routes weren't the only awards with old buses during the first half of 2000; Metroline retained the 82, 113 and 266 using Ms that were even older than Norwood's Ls. Routes like the 123 and 158 were also reawarded with fairly old buses at the same time. Many of these routes went on to get mid-contract upgrades to new buses once TfL's finances had improved (Ken L was allowed to spend quite a bit on buses during his first term as Mayor).
Easy to forget how much of an impact Livingstone really did have on the bus network. Meteoric change and for the better too. I hear all sorts of horror stories from the last days of LRT up to 2000, driver shortages, pretty poor reliability figures - obviously quick action was taken on those as soon as Ken arrived with extra conductors and PVRs, and the shift retention bonus. And then the congestion charging beyond that which put rocket fuel behind those steps, really good stuff. Most bus operators used to love Ken Livingstone given the enormous profits they made out of this expansion. Although operators were not happy when he cancelled the gross cost contracts where operators kept fare revenue. Ken did spend a lot on buses in the first term and this was mainly because he could not get his hands on the Underground as the government was at war with him for going as an independent. Ken made a success of the buses when eventually Labour allowed him back in the party and to stand as their candidate on his second term. After this money started to dry up on buses as the Underground (money pit) and upcoming London Overground was the main focus.
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Post by redexpress on May 19, 2020 14:41:03 GMT
Exactly, it wasn't a North vs South thing. When there was a huge influx of new buses in 2002-04, some garages got lucky and were allocated new buses when they weren't due any, while others got a rough deal and had to make to with existing buses even though their routes had been awarded with new buses. Norwood were one of the lucky garages; they were given a whole batch of new VLAs (1-55) even though they only needed a few buses for a part allocation on the 176; the 2, 68 and X68 weren't due new buses at all. Croydon and Beddington got new buses for all of their new contracts. Clapton and Thornton Heath were among the garages that lost out. From 2002-2004 didn't [CT] gain the DLA's of euro3 that were put on the 253/254 but made odd workings on the 242. CT did get one batch of new DLAs, but they should have had two batches, as both 242 and 253 had been retained with new buses. The original plan was that the S-reg DLAs off the 242 would go to the 2 but that didn't happen. The 254 was at SF at the time and gained new VLWs.
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Post by SILENCED on May 20, 2020 9:13:01 GMT
T41 makes an appearance on the 250
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Post by vjaska on May 20, 2020 11:37:50 GMT
The 2 is to see extra workings due to planned engineering works on the Victoria Line between the 23rd & 25th May when the entire line is shut with a replacement bus service between Finsbury Park & Walthamstow Central.
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Post by galwhv69 on May 20, 2020 13:47:59 GMT
The 2 is to see extra workings due to planned engineering works on the Victoria Line between the 23rd & 25th May when the entire line is shut with a replacement bus service between Finsbury Park & Walthamstow Central. Do the buses continue to West Norwood or do they terminate at Brixton and use the P4 stand?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 20, 2020 13:48:49 GMT
The 2 is to see extra workings due to planned engineering works on the Victoria Line between the 23rd & 25th May when the entire line is shut with a replacement bus service between Finsbury Park & Walthamstow Central. Do the buses continue to West Norwood or do they terminate at Brixton and use the P4 stand? They will only operate between Brixton and Victoria
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Post by galwhv69 on May 20, 2020 13:51:29 GMT
Do the buses continue to West Norwood or do they terminate at Brixton and use the P4 stand? They will only operate between Brixton and Victoria Thanks, will be interesting to see read observations of how much the stands are overflowing
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Post by Max B on May 20, 2020 14:00:03 GMT
T41 makes an appearance on the 250 It sure did. Just managed to snap it before it departed Thornton Heath Station.
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Post by SILENCED on May 20, 2020 14:12:32 GMT
T41 makes an appearance on the 250 It sure did. Just managed to snap it before it departed Thornton Heath Station. Just a shame AD fitted a WTA front panel on it.
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Post by TB123 on May 22, 2020 10:16:49 GMT
T168 is gonna be VOR for a bit, hit a tree yesterday on the 64 and caused a bit of damage to the top deck, wiping the top nearside corner off at the front. I've got a video somewhere, will try and upload it.
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Post by titan1mike on May 22, 2020 21:06:49 GMT
The 2 is to see extra workings due to planned engineering works on the Victoria Line between the 23rd & 25th May when the entire line is shut with a replacement bus service between Finsbury Park & Walthamstow Central. Do the buses continue to West Norwood or do they terminate at Brixton and use the P4 stand? They operate in service to/from N when drivers start or finish.
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