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Post by greenboy on Jul 22, 2022 18:00:28 GMT
Not really as TC have lost quite a lot of work and can fit about 135 vehicles so Arriva London South garages as a whole are not full so should not be an issue to allow works to take place at any garage. Abellio moved the 3 to QB to allow works to be done for the 63 so what is the issue... I remember reading an unconfirmed report somewhere, either here or on another group that the 50 was due to move to TC when the 264 goes. Now that the 264’s departure is a month away, is there any truth to this? I've heard that as well although I don't think it's been confirmed? If it does happen presumably HA's will move to TC?
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 22, 2022 18:04:01 GMT
I remember reading an unconfirmed report somewhere, either here or on another group that the 50 was due to move to TC when the 264 goes. Now that the 264’s departure is a month away, is there any truth to this? I've heard that as well although I don't think it's been confirmed? If it does happen presumably HA's will move to TC? Not necessarily as the 50 is still scheduled for HV operation.
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Post by adl on Jul 22, 2022 18:06:24 GMT
I've heard that as well although I don't think it's been confirmed? If it does happen presumably HA's will move to TC? Not necessarily as the 50 is still scheduled for HV operation. If a route is to move it’d make sense for the 50 to move due to its HV operation, would fit in well with the HV operation on the 466.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jul 22, 2022 18:07:12 GMT
I remember reading an unconfirmed report somewhere, either here or on another group that the 50 was due to move to TC when the 264 goes. Now that the 264’s departure is a month away, is there any truth to this? I've heard that as well although I don't think it's been confirmed? If it does happen presumably HA's will move to TC? Why would that happen? Don't forget the 466 is part HV.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 22, 2022 18:15:42 GMT
I've heard that as well although I don't think it's been confirmed? If it does happen presumably HA's will move to TC? Why would that happen? Don't forget the 466 is part HV. Yes that's a good point, I'd forgotten about that. Anyway we'll see if and when it happens.
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Jul 22, 2022 23:10:48 GMT
I would convert 157 with those HAs as 19 HAs won’t fit the 64 or 250’s full allocation The HAs allocated to the 78 will not complete the 157 either. 20 Ts including T11, would still need 1 additional HA or any bus to complete the allocation. Baring in mind the 157s buses are parked at Norwood however it will be interesting if this practice continues for the next contract when it can be simply operate fully from TC without the need for ferrying. 64 133 157 333 417 all due very soon if retained I can see 64 133 & 333 going Electric. 157 is a PVR 18 route and there are 19 HAs. Isn’t that enough?
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Post by Busboy105 on Jul 22, 2022 23:13:45 GMT
The HAs allocated to the 78 will not complete the 157 either. 20 Ts including T11, would still need 1 additional HA or any bus to complete the allocation. Baring in mind the 157s buses are parked at Norwood however it will be interesting if this practice continues for the next contract when it can be simply operate fully from TC without the need for ferrying. 64 133 157 333 417 all due very soon if retained I can see 64 133 & 333 going Electric. 157 is a PVR 18 route and there are 19 HAs. Isn’t that enough? They'll need more than 1 spare. Besides Arriva might lose the route anyway
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Jul 22, 2022 23:17:15 GMT
Just because of what happened in the past does not mean the same will happen again. BN already has Electrics. I’ll be very surprised if the opportunity is not taken to upgrade BN with existing vehicles moved to garages with much older buses especially now with what has been revealed in relation to WN. Except the difference is Arriva London North has entire depot empty to reshuffle things into where as London South is very tight on space across most of their garages. Even with expected upcoming reductions there just won’t be anywhere suitable within their current portfolio to house that many vehicles and nowhere large enough to BN to temporarily use either. It could only really work in a staged construction utilising more of the tram shed if maintenance could be housed their temporarily but even then it still might be tight. I’m pretty sure every London South garage apart from TH has space. N, I’ve heard still have space, TC have not yet replaced 197 or 403, BN have space from 133’s reduction, plus the tram shed (if I’m not wrong).
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Jul 22, 2022 23:21:23 GMT
157 is a PVR 18 route and there are 19 HAs. Isn’t that enough? They'll need more than 1 spare. Besides Arriva might lose the route anyway What’s funny is that 198 doesn’t even have enough HAs. Hence why it sees about 3 or 4 Ts per day.
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Post by portman227 on Jul 23, 2022 0:23:11 GMT
They'll need more than 1 spare. Besides Arriva might lose the route anyway What’s funny is that 198 doesn’t even have enough HAs. Hence why it sees about 3 or 4 Ts per day. Happy to be corrected but I believe That’s because HA32 is missing from the 198 allocation which hasn’t transferred from BN yet for unknown reasons which is one it sees at least one T a day. It needs a total of 13 HA’s and it only has 12 at the moment. Unless it had a reduction recently
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Post by vjaska on Jul 23, 2022 5:04:40 GMT
What’s funny is that 198 doesn’t even have enough HAs. Hence why it sees about 3 or 4 Ts per day. Happy to be corrected but I believe That’s because HA32 is missing from the 198 allocation which hasn’t transferred from BN yet for unknown reasons which is one it sees at least one T a day. It needs a total of 13 HA’s and it only has 12 at the moment. Unless it had a reduction recently It can quite easily operate with 12 HA’s so isn’t an issue - there are routes out there that use one less spare than they would usually because the garage has enough overall spares
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 23, 2022 7:14:10 GMT
Happy to be corrected but I believe That’s because HA32 is missing from the 198 allocation which hasn’t transferred from BN yet for unknown reasons which is one it sees at least one T a day. It needs a total of 13 HA’s and it only has 12 at the moment. Unless it had a reduction recently It can quite easily operate with 12 HA’s so isn’t an issue - there are routes out there that use one less spare than they would usually because the garage has enough overall spares But is is not the case that it has one less spare, the 198 has no spare. Having said that, the new contract does not start until end of August, so still time to move another one over.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 23, 2022 7:44:22 GMT
It can quite easily operate with 12 HA’s so isn’t an issue - there are routes out there that use one less spare than they would usually because the garage has enough overall spares But is is not the case that it has one less spare, the 198 has no spare. Having said that, the new contract does not start until end of August, so still time to move another one over. At the moment there are 52 T buses at TH and 12 HAs to cover a PVR of 56. So the there is a spare at TH for the 198 at present until replaced with HA32.
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 23, 2022 7:53:42 GMT
But is is not the case that it has one less spare, the 198 has no spare. Having said that, the new contract does not start until end of August, so still time to move another one over. At the moment there are 52 T buses at TH and 12 HAs to cover a PVR of 56. So the there is a spare at TH for the 198 at present until replaced with HA32. Agreed, there is no shortage overall at TH. I do wonder if HA19 could be the extra vehicle, seeing as the pvr of the 78 is now 16 with an allocation of 19.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 23, 2022 8:20:59 GMT
At the moment there are 52 T buses at TH and 12 HAs to cover a PVR of 56. So the there is a spare at TH for the 198 at present until replaced with HA32. Agreed, there is no shortage overall at TH. I do wonder if HA19 could be the extra vehicle, seeing as the pvr of the 78 is now 16 with an allocation of 19. HV23 is withdrawn so could explain why HA32 is still at BN.
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