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Post by vjaska on Apr 2, 2023 22:51:38 GMT
It’s quite poor that they can’t agree a particular spec across all vehicles from all operators rather than this picking and choosing. It really is making this 'high spec' situation look a bit laughable. Abellio and Arriva are using high back seats with the headrests moulded into the seats, RATP, Go Ahead and Metroline are using standard Civic V2s with leader headrests which are fixed onto where the standard handles would be. One is quite inferior to the other. Metroline don't seem to be using wood effect flooring either. Abellio and RATP seem to have rear destination displays, while Go Ahead just have the number. Abellio and Stagecoach have phone holders, none of the others do so far. It's amounting to a different experience depending on what operator is running your route. Indeed, and it even differs from vehicles within the same operator - compare Abellio BYD's & Electroliners with the Metrocitys where the Metrocity has no phone holders and a standard I-Bus screen but the deckers do. The Metrocitys also don't have a rear destination display, just a number one. For me, it should be as best as possible: Same spec displays on all new vehicles where possible Glass pillars on all Electroliners & glass staircase on all BYD's Phone holders on all new vehicles New I-bus screens on all new vehicles Wood effect flooring (I'm sure this can be matched effectively between each operator's interior, there is multiple types of wood effect flooring) One type of high back seats on all new vehicles |
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Post by VH45161 on Apr 3, 2023 0:08:30 GMT
Seems there is a cutback a bit in the amount of glass no doubt due to costs as the latest BYD/City's with RATP and Go Ahead no longer having the glass staircase. Over in HK the latest E500MMCs still have a glass staircase though the width of the glass is narrower, likely cheaper and maybe lighter? I wonder if ADL will start providing the same option for the E400EV. I’d say it’s all about money. The glass staircase made the advertising frame too small to fit any adverts |
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 3, 2023 15:12:07 GMT
For me, it should be as best as possible: Same spec displays on all new vehicles where possible Glass pillars on all Electroliners & glass staircase on all BYD's Phone holders on all new vehicles New I-bus screens on all new vehicles Wood effect flooring (I'm sure this can be matched effectively between each operator's interior, there is multiple types of wood effect flooring) One type of high back seats on all new vehicles Some of the high spec features do make sense, such as the high back seating and improved ibus displays. USB chargers are also very useful, but I'm not sure if many passengers would make use of the phone holders. I would personally rather have the glass staircase than the glass section on the roof. Neither are really important, though the E400EV in particular doesn't quite look right without the glass along the stairs. I'm not too sure though what the advantage is of the wood effect flooring. Outside of London, I think Stagecoach are the only major operator to apply this to the majority of their new fleet. While I don't know how much more money is being spent on upgrading new buses to this higher spec interior, I'm sure most passengers would rather this money went towards improving services instead. I also find it odd how only buses are being focused on in terms of high spec, considering that TFL's train services (which don't have high levels of comfort etc) are generally used for significantly longer journeys than buses. Meanwhile, the basic spec we've had until now is still a huge improvement on a lot of public transport in European cities (often having plastic seats with no fabric at all) - so I would question if this should be a priority to TFL, especially when the budget is particularly tight at the moment. |
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 3, 2023 16:39:06 GMT
For me, it should be as best as possible: Same spec displays on all new vehicles where possible Glass pillars on all Electroliners & glass staircase on all BYD's Phone holders on all new vehicles New I-bus screens on all new vehicles Wood effect flooring (I'm sure this can be matched effectively between each operator's interior, there is multiple types of wood effect flooring) One type of high back seats on all new vehicles Some of the high spec features do make sense, such as the high back seating and improved ibus displays. USB chargers are also very useful, but I'm not sure if many passengers would make use of the phone holders. I would personally rather have the glass staircase than the glass section on the roof. Neither are really important, though the E400EV in particular doesn't quite look right without the glass along the stairs. I'm not too sure though what the advantage is of the wood effect flooring. Outside of London, I think Stagecoach are the only major operator to apply this to the majority of their new fleet. While I don't know how much more money is being spent on upgrading new buses to this higher spec interior, I'm sure most passengers would rather this money went towards improving services instead. I also find it odd how only buses are being focused on in terms of high spec, considering that TFL's train services (which don't have high levels of comfort etc) are generally used for significantly longer journeys than buses. Meanwhile, the basic spec we've had until now is still a huge improvement on a lot of public transport in European cities (often having plastic seats with no fabric at all) - so I would question if this should be a priority to TFL, especially when the budget is particularly tight at the moment. Some of the changes are to improve passenger safety - namely, high-backed seats and removal of handrails on the top deck. The safety of passengers, drivers and other road users has been identified as a priority for TfL buses and the new measures have been agreed as part of the funding agreement. Wood-effect flooring is not a great deal more expensive than standard flooring, and improves the general ambience of the interior. Reading Buses specifies it for all its new vehicles. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Apr 3, 2023 17:41:05 GMT
Some of the high spec features do make sense, such as the high back seating and improved ibus displays. USB chargers are also very useful, but I'm not sure if many passengers would make use of the phone holders. I would personally rather have the glass staircase than the glass section on the roof. Neither are really important, though the E400EV in particular doesn't quite look right without the glass along the stairs. I'm not too sure though what the advantage is of the wood effect flooring. Outside of London, I think Stagecoach are the only major operator to apply this to the majority of their new fleet. While I don't know how much more money is being spent on upgrading new buses to this higher spec interior, I'm sure most passengers would rather this money went towards improving services instead. I also find it odd how only buses are being focused on in terms of high spec, considering that TFL's train services (which don't have high levels of comfort etc) are generally used for significantly longer journeys than buses. Meanwhile, the basic spec we've had until now is still a huge improvement on a lot of public transport in European cities (often having plastic seats with no fabric at all) - so I would question if this should be a priority to TFL, especially when the budget is particularly tight at the moment. Some of the changes are to improve passenger safety - namely, high-backed seats and removal of handrails on the top deck. The safety of passengers, drivers and other road users has been identified as a priority for TfL buses and the new measures have been agreed as part of the funding agreement. Wood-effect flooring is not a great deal more expensive than standard flooring, and improves the general ambience of the interior. Reading Buses specifies it for all its new vehicles. Explain how the removal of handrails improves safety? From my perspective it makes things more unsafe as there is only a very small handle to hold onto. It also may increase dwell times as some passengers may be discouraged from moving on the upper deck whilst the bus is in motion which in turn may mean the lower deck becomes busier as those passengers are less likely to use the upper deck. I for one would be interested to see the accident stats on the 63s fleet since introduction versus the previous GAL allocation. |
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Post by cl54 on Apr 3, 2023 18:11:52 GMT
Some of the changes are to improve passenger safety - namely, high-backed seats and removal of handrails on the top deck. The safety of passengers, drivers and other road users has been identified as a priority for TfL buses and the new measures have been agreed as part of the funding agreement. Wood-effect flooring is not a great deal more expensive than standard flooring, and improves the general ambience of the interior. Reading Buses specifies it for all its new vehicles. Explain how the removal of handrails improves safety? From my perspective it makes things more unsafe as there is only a very small handle to hold onto. It also may increase dwell times as some passengers may be discouraged from moving on the upper deck whilst the bus is in motion which in turn may mean the lower deck becomes busier as those passengers are less likely to use the upper deck. I for one would be interested to see the accident stats on the 63s fleet since introduction versus the previous GAL allocation. The poles on the top deck of most buses are on alternative seats which doesn't help when the bus is moving. The hand holds on every seat mean you have something to grab. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 3, 2023 18:18:41 GMT
Some of the changes are to improve passenger safety - namely, high-backed seats and removal of handrails on the top deck. The safety of passengers, drivers and other road users has been identified as a priority for TfL buses and the new measures have been agreed as part of the funding agreement. Wood-effect flooring is not a great deal more expensive than standard flooring, and improves the general ambience of the interior. Reading Buses specifies it for all its new vehicles. Explain how the removal of handrails improves safety? From my perspective it makes things more unsafe as there is only a very small handle to hold onto. It also may increase dwell times as some passengers may be discouraged from moving on the upper deck whilst the bus is in motion which in turn may mean the lower deck becomes busier as those passengers are less likely to use the upper deck. I for one would be interested to see the accident stats on the 63s fleet since introduction versus the previous GAL allocation. I believe it is due to the fact the upper deck tilts more over bumps etc, which means people are more likely to bang into handrails. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Apr 3, 2023 19:02:30 GMT
Explain how the removal of handrails improves safety? From my perspective it makes things more unsafe as there is only a very small handle to hold onto. It also may increase dwell times as some passengers may be discouraged from moving on the upper deck whilst the bus is in motion which in turn may mean the lower deck becomes busier as those passengers are less likely to use the upper deck. I for one would be interested to see the accident stats on the 63s fleet since introduction versus the previous GAL allocation. I believe it is due to the fact the upper deck tilts more over bumps etc, which means people are more likely to bang into handrails. Hmm, seems a lot of effort for something that rarely happens. |
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Post by ronnie on Apr 3, 2023 20:17:30 GMT
I believe it is due to the fact the upper deck tilts more over bumps etc, which means people are more likely to bang into handrails. Hmm, seems a lot of effort for something that rarely happens. Typical HSE overdrive |
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 4, 2023 11:08:03 GMT
Assuming BN vehicles will receive new blinds for the Central London bus changes. Will these include the 417?
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 4, 2023 11:46:44 GMT
Assuming BN vehicles will receive new blinds for the Central London bus changes. Will these include the 417? The probably would only need inserts as all that would be added is 59 St Barts and 133 Holborn. Holborn is already on the BN blinds so would need to be programed to show alongside 133. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 4, 2023 13:33:05 GMT
Assuming BN vehicles will receive new blinds for the Central London bus changes. Will these include the 417? The probably would only need inserts as all that would be added is 59 St Barts and 133 Holborn. Holborn is already on the BN blinds so would need to be programed to show alongside 133. I’d imagine the 133 would get an insert for St Paul’s as well? |
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 4, 2023 13:40:11 GMT
Assuming BN vehicles will receive new blinds for the Central London bus changes. Will these include the 417? The probably would only need inserts as all that would be added is 59 St Barts and 133 Holborn. Holborn is already on the BN blinds so would need to be programed to show alongside 133. Are you proposing inserts for the 417 as well? Awful lot of work if you are. If you are not, why do inserts now if you are going to replace them shortly |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 4, 2023 13:52:44 GMT
The probably would only need inserts as all that would be added is 59 St Barts and 133 Holborn. Holborn is already on the BN blinds so would need to be programed to show alongside 133. Are you proposing inserts for the 417 as well? Awful lot of work if you are. If you are not, why do inserts now if you are going to replace them shortly Maybe the 319s EAs would get new blinds for the 417 but I can't see the LTs getting them or the HVs. The HAs might as they potentially have a longer future at BN. |
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Post by enviroPB on Apr 5, 2023 0:01:53 GMT
Assuming BN vehicles will receive new blinds for the Central London bus changes. Will these include the 417? The probably would only need inserts as all that would be added is 59 St Barts and 133 Holborn. Holborn is already on the BN blinds so would need to be programed to show alongside 133. I'd imagine the 133 would also have St Paul's and City Thameslink added to its blindset. It would be interesting to see how many extra buses would be needed for the 133 as the extension to Holborn is pretty lengthy. |
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