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Post by Ts_As on Jun 29, 2020 1:51:09 GMT
You definitely could be right here. Funny enough the 12 DWs due to move to TC from route 230 would be able to cover the 405's allocation completely when they take over the route in August. This could be their back up plan considering the newest DWs at TC have new style white blinds which must feature all of the 405's curtailment points (not just the 405D's). I definitely think Arriva (if they have to) will prioritize getting the HTs in service first on the 202 than the 405. I expect Arriva might loan Go Ahead's WHVs if needed, they should be available in the short term and are a familiar type to Arriva at N. GoAhead London wouldn’t necessarily loan WHVs to Norwood, well I mean the HVs will get 202 blinds even doe everyday some HVs don’t really go on service plus you have 466’s Ts that are being replaced by ex-230 DWs so that could possibly be the case. Even doe I forgotten to mention about 405, there’ll still be spare DWs and Ts to use on that route
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Post by southeastlondonbus on Jul 3, 2020 16:52:06 GMT
SW5 which has been missing since February In the yard of Sparshats at Crayford has been inside for the last 2 weeks but only moved outside today so I can finally get a positive ID on it.
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 3, 2020 22:43:10 GMT
SW5 which has been missing since February In the yard of Sparshats at Crayford has been inside for the last 2 weeks but only moved outside today so I can finally get a positive ID on it. Mercedes Commercial truck dealer... perhaps they have found a more powerful engine from a Sprinter Van for the bus 🤣 Perhaps Daimler might authorise an upgrade to the bigger OM936, and it will be a test bed... the DW411 of it's day
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Post by Londontransport3 on Jul 6, 2020 19:18:23 GMT
DW112 has become the latest bus to stand down due to issues. its replacement T29/30 will be out in the coming days.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 6, 2020 22:06:12 GMT
SW5 which has been missing since February In the yard of Sparshats at Crayford has been inside for the last 2 weeks but only moved outside today so I can finally get a positive ID on it. Mercedes Commercial truck dealer... perhaps they have found a more powerful engine from a Sprinter Van for the bus 🤣 Perhaps Daimler might authorise an upgrade to the bigger OM936, and it will be a test bed... the DW411 of it's day Given some of the reliability issues with the 340's SWs, I'm surprised Arriva didn't keep hybrid version HW100 as an additional spare for the 340?
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 6, 2020 23:08:33 GMT
Mercedes Commercial truck dealer... perhaps they have found a more powerful engine from a Sprinter Van for the bus 🤣 Perhaps Daimler might authorise an upgrade to the bigger OM936, and it will be a test bed... the DW411 of it's day Given some of the reliability issues with the 340's SWs, I'm surprised Arriva didn't keep hybrid version HW100 as an additional spare for the 340? I think the fact it was just a whiny Streetdeck, and that it was non standard was a reason it went. They like standardising everything. Even Tower Transit drivers on the 25 preferred anything but the Streetdeck when they had the route... If they had put a decent engine in it, it could be a different story. They prefer the Streetdecks to stay on the 329 so if one dies, it's fairly near to AD to be recovered. Harrow and the 340 is too far away for such an unreliable bus...
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 6, 2020 23:14:40 GMT
Given some of the reliability issues with the 340's SWs, I'm surprised Arriva didn't keep hybrid version HW100 as an additional spare for the 340? I think the fact it was just a whiny Streetdeck, and that it was non standard was a reason it went. They like standardising everything. Even Tower Transit drivers on the 25 preferred anything but the Streetdeck when they had the route... If they had put a decent engine in it, it could be a different story. They prefer the Streetdecks to stay on the 329 so if one dies, it's fairly near to AD to be recovered. Harrow and the 340 is too far away for such an unreliable bus... If Arriva were to retain the 340 when next retendered, I wonder if they would keep the SWs? Given the SWs are non-standard in the London fleet and seemingly unreliable, I think Arriva should have just ordered some diesel MMC Ts at the time, especially following the T order for the 229/492 not long before.
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 7, 2020 18:58:24 GMT
I think the fact it was just a whiny Streetdeck, and that it was non standard was a reason it went. They like standardising everything. Even Tower Transit drivers on the 25 preferred anything but the Streetdeck when they had the route... If they had put a decent engine in it, it could be a different story. They prefer the Streetdecks to stay on the 329 so if one dies, it's fairly near to AD to be recovered. Harrow and the 340 is too far away for such an unreliable bus... If Arriva were to retain the 340 when next retendered, I wonder if they would keep the SWs? Given the SWs are non-standard in the London fleet and seemingly unreliable, I think Arriva should have just ordered some diesel MMC Ts at the time, especially following the T order for the 229/492 not long before. I think with TfL's finances being what it is, plus access to the 34's HV's, and refurbished T's means I very much doubt there will be new kit for the 340 if retained. They could buy diesel T's, though I think SmartHybrids would be better. Everything is either Hybrid or Electric, so we'l have to wait and see. They are deep in Metroline and RATP country as well. The SW's seem comfortable enough on the 329 where they can be closely watched, like a naughty kid in detention
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 7, 2020 23:16:35 GMT
Mercedes Commercial truck dealer... perhaps they have found a more powerful engine from a Sprinter Van for the bus 🤣 Perhaps Daimler might authorise an upgrade to the bigger OM936, and it will be a test bed... the DW411 of it's day Given some of the reliability issues with the 340's SWs, I'm surprised Arriva didn't keep hybrid version HW100 as an additional spare for the 340? Trouble is the bus was not owned by the company, it was a trial/loan bus. It was a lot more reliable than the SW's and was liked. But it is pointless in spending additional money against the 340 contract.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 7, 2020 23:30:58 GMT
If Arriva were to retain the 340 when next retendered, I wonder if they would keep the SWs? Given the SWs are non-standard in the London fleet and seemingly unreliable, I think Arriva should have just ordered some diesel MMC Ts at the time, especially following the T order for the 229/492 not long before. I think with TfL's finances being what it is, plus access to the 34's HV's, and refurbished T's means I very much doubt there will be new kit for the 340 if retained. They could buy diesel T's, though I think SmartHybrids would be better. Everything is either Hybrid or Electric, so we'l have to wait and see. They are deep in Metroline and RATP country as well. The SW's seem comfortable enough on the 329 where they can be closely watched, like a naughty kid in detention Diesel Ts are not allowed to be ordered anymore as they're not hybrid/electric, though I think Arriva should have ordered these in 2016 instead of the SWs, as a more standardised and reliable type. If Arriva were to retain the 340, I'm not sure they would be able to bid with the SWs, if the SWs were to continue on the 329 instead. The swap could become official, with Arriva bidding with 61reg Ts instead. Though other options may be available at the time, given the 340 has a 2 year extension, and in any case, Arriva may choose to withdraw the SWs anyway at end of contract if still problematic. However, I don't think Arriva are likely to retain the 340, with the long distance between AD and Edgware/Harrow, especially with HD/BT/EW/SO all very close to the route.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 7, 2020 23:42:33 GMT
I think the fact it was just a whiny Streetdeck, and that it was non standard was a reason it went. They like standardising everything. Even Tower Transit drivers on the 25 preferred anything but the Streetdeck when they had the route... If they had put a decent engine in it, it could be a different story. They prefer the Streetdecks to stay on the 329 so if one dies, it's fairly near to AD to be recovered. Harrow and the 340 is too far away for such an unreliable bus... If Arriva were to retain the 340 when next retendered, I wonder if they would keep the SWs? Given the SWs are non-standard in the London fleet and seemingly unreliable, I think Arriva should have just ordered some diesel MMC Ts at the time, especially following the T order for the 229/492 not long before. If the route was won on retender it is very highly unlikely it would keep the SW's. The time the 340 was retendered it was at [GR] and costs were trying to be kept to the lowest, also due to contract value with new buses it would be less margins ordering the MMC. The SW's went on from the trial of the original SW1 that after was purchased, it also appears that some of the buses were not looked after well at [GR], it went even worse when the routes were lost and garage earmarked for closure.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 7, 2020 23:58:36 GMT
I think with TfL's finances being what it is, plus access to the 34's HV's, and refurbished T's means I very much doubt there will be new kit for the 340 if retained. They could buy diesel T's, though I think SmartHybrids would be better. Everything is either Hybrid or Electric, so we'l have to wait and see. They are deep in Metroline and RATP country as well. The SW's seem comfortable enough on the 329 where they can be closely watched, like a naughty kid in detention Diesel Ts are not allowed to be ordered anymore as they're not hybrid/electric, though I think Arriva should have ordered these in 2016 instead of the SWs, as a more standardised and reliable type. If Arriva were to retain the 340, I'm not sure they would be able to bid with the SWs, if the SWs were to continue on the 329 instead. The swap could become official, with Arriva bidding with 61reg Ts instead. Though other options may be available at the time, given the 340 has a 2 year extension, and in any case, Arriva may choose to withdraw the SWs anyway at end of contract if still problematic. However, I don't think Arriva are likely to retain the 340, with the long distance between AD and Edgware/Harrow, especially with HD/BT/EW/SO all very close to the route. Two things: The distance between Edgware & AD is not long - yes from Harrow it is but from Edgware, it isn't as bad as you continually suggest despite myself and others repeatedly saying it has the luxury of using the A41 & A406 to reach it so hopefully, that one can now be put to bed. It has been mentioned several times on here, particularly recently, that distance is not always a factor. Arriva's current performance on the route is apparently really good so it shows how running it from AD isn't problematic at all.
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Post by Volvo on Jul 8, 2020 6:03:00 GMT
perhaps they have found a more powerful engine from a Sprinter Van for the bus 🤣
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 8, 2020 8:27:39 GMT
Diesel Ts are not allowed to be ordered anymore as they're not hybrid/electric, though I think Arriva should have ordered these in 2016 instead of the SWs, as a more standardised and reliable type. If Arriva were to retain the 340, I'm not sure they would be able to bid with the SWs, if the SWs were to continue on the 329 instead. The swap could become official, with Arriva bidding with 61reg Ts instead. Though other options may be available at the time, given the 340 has a 2 year extension, and in any case, Arriva may choose to withdraw the SWs anyway at end of contract if still problematic. However, I don't think Arriva are likely to retain the 340, with the long distance between AD and Edgware/Harrow, especially with HD/BT/EW/SO all very close to the route. Two things: The distance between Edgware & AD is not long - yes from Harrow it is but from Edgware, it isn't as bad as you continually suggest despite myself and others repeatedly saying it has the luxury of using the A41 & A406 to reach it so hopefully, that one can now be put to bed. It has been mentioned several times on here, particularly recently, that distance is not always a factor. Arriva's current performance on the route is apparently really good so it shows how running it from AD isn't problematic at all. Meal reliefs and sign ons/offs may not be the easiest.
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Post by kmkcheng on Jul 8, 2020 8:41:47 GMT
Two things: The distance between Edgware & AD is not long - yes from Harrow it is but from Edgware, it isn't as bad as you continually suggest despite myself and others repeatedly saying it has the luxury of using the A41 & A406 to reach it so hopefully, that one can now be put to bed. It has been mentioned several times on here, particularly recently, that distance is not always a factor. Arriva's current performance on the route is apparently really good so it shows how running it from AD isn't problematic at all. Meal reliefs and sign ons/offs may not be the easiest. Meal reliefs shouldn’t be that much of an issue as there are toilets and plenty of food options at both ends of the route.
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