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Post by WH241 on Nov 25, 2023 13:00:45 GMT
Ah yes. I think route W3 was mooted for that batch but plans can and do change as we have seen in the past. I thought both SL2 & SL3 were to use LTs(which surprised me being a Mayoral project) I really doubt TfL or the Mayor are that petty about bus types to be honest. The association of the LT with Boris is most long forgotten by most.
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 25, 2023 13:05:22 GMT
HAs going on SL2 what buses W3 be using any idea I wrote "that may have changed" - HAs onto SL2 was speculation on my part, not fact. Perhaps I should have added "we shall have to wait and see".
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Post by vjaska on Nov 25, 2023 13:29:25 GMT
Does anyone know what will happen with HA20 when the 78 moves to Go Ahead? Also what buses will the 157 use from next Saturday? I’d imagine, but can’t confirm, it will return to the 198. As for 157, my gut feeling is a mix of the Ee’s currently in service at AL and existing diesels from elsewhere
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Post by vjaska on Nov 25, 2023 13:32:13 GMT
Ah yes. I think route W3 was mooted for that batch but plans can and do change as we have seen in the past. I thought both SL2 & SL3 were to use LTs(which surprised me being a Mayoral project) I’m still not convinced that any SL route will use LT’s - the current mayor isn’t a fan of them and I’d be surprised he’d want his idea to have the mayor’s previous idea involved at all especially given how tied in to the previous mayor LT’s are.
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Post by cybermike137 on Nov 25, 2023 13:45:40 GMT
Does anyone know what will happen with HA20 when the 78 moves to Go Ahead? Also what buses will the 157 use from next Saturday? I’d imagine, but can’t confirm, it will return to the 198. As for 157, my gut feeling is a mix of the Ee’s currently in service at AL and existing diesels from elsewhere Every day I see E buses doing route learning the 157 and waving at the driver, some drivers are glad to see the back of it 😂
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Nov 25, 2023 14:11:52 GMT
Does anyone know what will happen with HA20 when the 78 moves to Go Ahead? Also what buses will the 157 use from next Saturday? My guess is that it’ll move right back to TH for the 198. And I assume T299 will be off back to DT
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Post by ADH45258 on Nov 25, 2023 15:09:00 GMT
HAs going on SL2 what buses W3 be using any idea Aren't there enough HAs from the 78 and 333 for both the W3 and SL2? Possibly depends on the W3's permanent PVR. It was awarded with 19, but is still unchanged from 21 since the new contract has started. Wouldn't be surprised if the SL2 gets LTs though - one Arriva example was seen being tested on the route. Using LTs on both the SL2/SL3 would allow TFL to monitor usage for the first year in service, then award with new electrics after that with PVR changes if necessary. And similarly if the SL5 were to start off with some existing diesel SDs. I'm sure the eventual goal is for all Superloop routes to be electric. The SL1/2/3/5/6/7 are all due to be retendered again within a year or two, so that would just leave the SL8. Maybe TFL might request an allocation swap, particularly if Metroline win a route from a garage that has issues being wired up?
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Post by ThinLizzy on Nov 25, 2023 15:55:15 GMT
I thought both SL2 & SL3 were to use LTs(which surprised me being a Mayoral project) I’m still not convinced that any SL route will use LT’s - the current mayor isn’t a fan of them and I’d be surprised he’d want his idea to have the mayor’s previous idea involved at all especially given how tied in to the previous mayor LT’s are. Using LTs on the Superloop for a year or two could be a good excuse for starting to withdraw them from London, particularly as by the time the SL routes are retendered in 2025/26 London will be focused on replacing everything non-zero emission.
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Post by WH241 on Nov 25, 2023 16:14:26 GMT
I thought both SL2 & SL3 were to use LTs(which surprised me being a Mayoral project) I’m still not convinced that any SL route will use LT’s - the current mayor isn’t a fan of them and I’d be surprised he’d want his idea to have the mayor’s previous idea involved at all especially given how tied in to the previous mayor LT’s are. Not seen anything anywhere where it’s been said the Mayor is not a fan. As said in my post earlier I really doubt him or TfL are that fussed! They just want to get the maximum use out of them. It has been hinted here by Arriva staff that the SL1 and / or SL 2 could use them.
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 25, 2023 17:11:26 GMT
Does anyone know what will happen with HA20 when the 78 moves to Go Ahead? Also what buses will the 157 use from next Saturday? My guess is that it’ll move right back to TH for the 198. And I assume T299 will be off back to DT The remaining EX DT vehicles at N will probably be off there next week too.
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 25, 2023 17:12:34 GMT
I’d imagine, but can’t confirm, it will return to the 198. As for 157, my gut feeling is a mix of the Ee’s currently in service at AL and existing diesels from elsewhere Every day I see E buses doing route learning the 157 and waving at the driver, some drivers are glad to see the back of it 😂Same when for the 450 when we saw route learning buses.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 25, 2023 17:22:30 GMT
I’m still not convinced that any SL route will use LT’s - the current mayor isn’t a fan of them and I’d be surprised he’d want his idea to have the mayor’s previous idea involved at all especially given how tied in to the previous mayor LT’s are. Using LTs on the Superloop for a year or two could be a good excuse for starting to withdraw them from London, particularly as by the time the SL routes are retendered in 2025/26 London will be focused on replacing everything non-zero emission. I get the rationale behind what your saying, absolutely nothing wrong with it, but I just can't see the current mayor using a former's mayor idea within his own concept. ThinLizzy your of course welcome to say I told you so if your right though
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Post by enviroPB on Nov 25, 2023 20:03:21 GMT
I thought both SL2 & SL3 were to use LTs(which surprised me being a Mayoral project) I’m still not convinced that any SL route will use LT’s - the current mayor isn’t a fan of them and I’d be surprised he’d want his idea to have the mayor’s previous idea involved at all especially given how tied in to the previous mayor LT’s are. That's not a bad hunch to have. All new bus routes introduced during the Mayor's tenure (218, 301, 304, 306, 497 and all Superloop routes) haven't been awarded with LTs thus far. It could be purely coincidental, but the Superloop is very much Sadiq Khan's pet project and I don't think he would allow Boris's pet project (LTs) to be anywhere near it.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Nov 25, 2023 20:14:09 GMT
I’m still not convinced that any SL route will use LT’s - the current mayor isn’t a fan of them and I’d be surprised he’d want his idea to have the mayor’s previous idea involved at all especially given how tied in to the previous mayor LT’s are. That's not a bad hunch to have. All new bus routes introduced during the Mayor's tenure (218, 301, 304, 306, 497 and all Superloop routes) haven't been awarded with LTs thus far. It could be purely coincidental, but the Superloop is very much Sadiq Khan's pet project and I don't think he would allow Boris's pet project (LTs) to be anywhere near it. To be fair, I'd love to see an LT on the 497 thunder it's way round the Kings Park development and Harold Hill
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Post by WH241 on Nov 25, 2023 20:14:57 GMT
I’m still not convinced that any SL route will use LT’s - the current mayor isn’t a fan of them and I’d be surprised he’d want his idea to have the mayor’s previous idea involved at all especially given how tied in to the previous mayor LT’s are. That's not a bad hunch to have. All new bus routes introduced during the Mayor's tenure (218, 301, 304, 306, 497 and all Superloop routes) haven't been awarded with LTs thus far. It could be purely coincidental, but the Superloop is very much Sadiq Khan's pet project and I don't think he would allow Boris's pet project (LTs) to be anywhere near it. Of course its coincidental. The difference now is there is a pretty big surplus of LTs available (Ex route 168 and other spares) and three double decker short term contracts starting by the Spring 2024.
I am not sure where all this Khan hates the LTs has come from today. Yes he threaten to withdraw them during the funding argument but apart from that I haven't seen anything to suggest he is against them.
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