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Post by DE20106 on Feb 2, 2024 12:16:20 GMT
Oh definitely any idiot could have foreseen this was going to inevitably be an issue, but our politicians aren’t just any old idiots. The constant narrow minded short term-ism mindset will be this country’s undoing In all fairness this would have been an issue regardless of the way it was implemented. The future has to be electric and it makes sense to get everything ready in a short period of time where you can arrange for this rather than long it out over many years where each new site will then throw up its own issues. I highly doubt electric is the future. It’s currently ‘the future’ as much as diesel was back in the early 2000’s, for then diesel vehicle owners to get absolutely demonised 15-ish years later Imagine 2031 when the the whole TfL fleet is supposedly electric: for example north London has a power outage in the night. Then all of a sudden, none of North London has a bus service the next day. That’s all it would take |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 2, 2024 12:48:21 GMT
In all fairness this would have been an issue regardless of the way it was implemented. The future has to be electric and it makes sense to get everything ready in a short period of time where you can arrange for this rather than long it out over many years where each new site will then throw up its own issues. I highly doubt electric is the future. It’s currently ‘the future’ as much as diesel was back in the early 2000’s, for then diesel vehicle owners to get absolutely demonised 15-ish years later Imagine 2031 when the the whole TfL fleet is supposedly electric: for example north London has a power outage in the night. Then all of a sudden, none of North London has a bus service the next day. That’s all it would take I think we could say electric is, unlike diesel electric has capability to be zero emissions from the initial process while it was always known diesel wasn't. I think as mentioned earlier that alternative suppliers is the way forward. |
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 2, 2024 12:49:16 GMT
In all fairness this would have been an issue regardless of the way it was implemented. The future has to be electric and it makes sense to get everything ready in a short period of time where you can arrange for this rather than long it out over many years where each new site will then throw up its own issues. UK Power Networks are a monopoly supplier and choose to regulate their workload to exploit it. Alternative providers are needed. That would just complicate things even more… When roadworks occur the amount of work that is privatised is shocking hence why they take so long… Overall Electrification should be slowed down. Why should UKPN rush for something that has been given very little thought. |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 2, 2024 12:50:03 GMT
In all fairness this would have been an issue regardless of the way it was implemented. The future has to be electric and it makes sense to get everything ready in a short period of time where you can arrange for this rather than long it out over many years where each new site will then throw up its own issues. I highly doubt electric is the future. It’s currently ‘the future’ as much as diesel was back in the early 2000’s, for then diesel vehicle owners to get absolutely demonised 15-ish years later Imagine 2031 when the the whole TfL fleet is supposedly electric: for example north London has a power outage in the night. Then all of a sudden, none of North London has a bus service the next day. That’s all it would take Surely, there would be back up generators at garages or some sort of system the same way train lines generally continue running whilst other places in the local area are affected? My workplace is right next door to Brixton Tube Station and usually when we and other shops have a power outage, the tube is still running |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 2, 2024 16:00:23 GMT
Probably due to existing places drawing so much juice from the grid.. if the big Tesco is also using chargers for their electric delivery vans, and not too far away the huge Tesco distribution centre takes even more power for their vans, along with Asda down the road plus Waitrose for their electric van fleet, I guess there's an issue. There's also the Overground at Southbury using 25kv, so there may not be enough to go round unless they put in a substation somewhere. ]It does highlight we can't cope with a mass switch to electric cars just yet, despite the Government's wishful thinking  Oh definitely any idiot could have foreseen this was going to inevitably be an issue, but our politicians aren’t just any old idiots. The constant narrow minded short term-ism mindset will be this country’s undoing Well blame the Greta Thunderbergs, and Sadick Khans of this world. |
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Post by ServerKing on Feb 2, 2024 16:21:18 GMT
Oh definitely any idiot could have foreseen this was going to inevitably be an issue, but our politicians aren’t just any old idiots. The constant narrow minded short term-ism mindset will be this country’s undoing Well blame the Greta Thunderbergs, and Sadick Khans of this world. Like GoAhead and the 476, I'll cling doggedly to my existing diesels  |
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 2, 2024 16:28:50 GMT
Well blame the Greta Thunderbergs, and Sadick Khans of this world. Like GoAhead and the 476, I'll cling doggedly to my existing diesels Route 318, where every day is a Heritage Running Day  |
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Post by billa on Feb 2, 2024 17:29:40 GMT
They're having problems with power draw. Hence the amount of roadworks around the garage whilst UK power network figures out a solution I’m not surprised they’re having issues with the power draw. Ponders End garage is in such a built up area, next to an enormous Tesco, high street and a huge amount of residential homes. I can easily envisage UX having the same issues when the power is connected there I think a lot of garages will have problems of the same sort. Northumberland Park is probably one of the few garages in a suitable location for electrification with the substation right across the road |
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Post by cl54 on Feb 2, 2024 18:30:13 GMT
UK Power Networks are a monopoly supplier and choose to regulate their workload to exploit it. Alternative providers are needed. That would just complicate things even more… When roadworks occur the amount of work that is privatised is shocking hence why they take so long… Overall Electrification should be slowed down. Why should UKPN rush for something that has been given very little thought. UKPN are slowing lots of projects including much needed housing. |
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 2, 2024 18:44:06 GMT
That would just complicate things even more… When roadworks occur the amount of work that is privatised is shocking hence why they take so long… Overall Electrification should be slowed down. Why should UKPN rush for something that has been given very little thought. UKPN are slowing lots of projects including much needed housing. Well it is not just simple to say plug in and use the power even for the homes… A lot of garages will have this problem as I have already said it’s being rushed. None of this would even be said if so many garages were not waiting for power. In a way I’m actually glad N are not getting any yet because all the excitement to drive a new bus will be waiting on UKPN fairies for Battery Juice 🔋 🪫 and buses collecting dust… |
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Post by adl on Feb 2, 2024 18:51:07 GMT
Lots of angry customers at Upminster Station, the last 3 Lakeside bound 370s have all driven past with people standing right up to the door and at the Romford bound bus stop more angry people as a 370 is being curtailed at The Drill Roundabou
Second time tbis week I’ve seen this, the 370/248 situation is bad, there needs to be some relief as both get so full in both directions.
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Post by ServerKing on Feb 3, 2024 0:45:11 GMT
Like GoAhead and the 476, I'll cling doggedly to my existing diesels Route 318, where every day is a Heritage Running Day Ironically EN18 is the last bus in on the 318, her younger ENR siblings are already at home  Hopefully Enfield send a couple more MMCs over now the 377 has its electrics... |
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Post by DE20106 on Feb 3, 2024 0:50:56 GMT
Lots of angry customers at Upminster Station, the last 3 Lakeside bound 370s have all driven past with people standing right up to the door and at the Romford bound bus stop more angry people as a 370 is being curtailed at The Drill Roundabou Second time tbis week I’ve seen this, the 370/248 situation is bad, there needs to be some relief as both get so full in both directions. Wooow never knew the 370 had the potential to get so busy! Was there an event going on which meant increased passenger traffic towards Lakeside? The 370’s I’ve used were surprisingly well loaded (which I didn’t expect given its usage figures), but never knew it got absolutely rammed to the door, except maybe in school times |
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Post by Dad91 on Feb 3, 2024 2:59:23 GMT
Lots of angry customers at Upminster Station, the last 3 Lakeside bound 370s have all driven past with people standing right up to the door and at the Romford bound bus stop more angry people as a 370 is being curtailed at The Drill Roundabou Second time tbis week I’ve seen this, the 370/248 situation is bad, there needs to be some relief as both get so full in both directions. Wooow never knew the 370 had the potential to get so busy! Was there an event going on which meant increased passenger traffic towards Lakeside? The 370’s I’ve used were surprisingly well loaded (which I didn’t expect given its usage figures), but never knew it got absolutely rammed to the door, except maybe in school times oh wow 370 getting damand. Getting busy. Need frequency increase |
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 3, 2024 8:01:31 GMT
Lots of angry customers at Upminster Station, the last 3 Lakeside bound 370s have all driven past with people standing right up to the door and at the Romford bound bus stop more angry people as a 370 is being curtailed at The Drill Roundabou Second time tbis week I’ve seen this, the 370/248 situation is bad, there needs to be some relief as both get so full in both directions. Wooow never knew the 370 had the potential to get so busy! Was there an event going on which meant increased passenger traffic towards Lakeside? The 370’s I’ve used were surprisingly well loaded (which I didn’t expect given its usage figures), but never knew it got absolutely rammed to the door, except maybe in school times There was no c2c train service on Friday 2nd February due to strike action by train drivers. |
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Hopefully Enfield send a couple more MMCs over now the 377 has its electrics...