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Post by greenboy on Mar 1, 2024 21:06:22 GMT
If they're suitable for other routes it wouldn't make sense for them to withdraw them from the 312 They’re being withdrawn from the 312 because of the increased PVR. They could always be allocated to another route that has a lower PVR. What other route? They're being withdrawn because they're unreliable.
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Post by londonbuses184 on Mar 1, 2024 21:07:40 GMT
They’re being withdrawn from the 312 because of the increased PVR. They could always be allocated to another route that has a lower PVR. Wait what that doesn't make any sense I saw on here that because of the increased mileage the 312 will now get and how unreliable the batteries are for EMCs, they will no longer be used for the route.
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Post by fortheloveofbuses on Mar 1, 2024 21:07:47 GMT
They’re being withdrawn from the 312 because of the increased PVR. They could always be allocated to another route that has a lower PVR. They are being withdrawn from the 312 because they reportedly aren’t suitable for the extension. Nothing to do with the PVR increase. They could always be suitable for another route though.
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Post by PGAT on Mar 1, 2024 21:09:57 GMT
They are being withdrawn from the 312 because they reportedly aren’t suitable for the extension. Nothing to do with the PVR increase. They could always be suitable for another route though. Well no not if the vehicles have been deemed to unreliable
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2024 21:09:58 GMT
Just want to clarify that there has been no official reason provided by anyone for the withdrawal of the EMCs, the most likely reason, as SouthLondon413 said, them being too long for the extension
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 1, 2024 21:12:47 GMT
Well what can I say I am basing it on past experience and the minute the 300 was rerouted it had buses constantly regulating along Freemasons Road and New Barn Street. I know my in person observations are always doubted but I know what I see in my daily commute. Seen as you pulling me up on this will remind you the same regarding DX and the SL2. The operator on the 300 is controlling the route, as they should be doing, ensuring that gaps remain even throughout, unlike the display Arriva provide in this part of London. Docklands Buses have notably topped the league tables too. You won't need to worry about me and the SL2, I'm thousands of miles away in a city that has a far nicer transport network than London with equal emphasis on ensuring private motor travel is accommodated for, ensuring good public transport provision and also ensuring cabs charge decent rates and are plentiful so people always have a plethora of choice. But I'm going off topic for what is actually an Arriva thread I will ride the SL2 once I'm back alongside the 325. But one thing is for sure, I'm very glad I don't have much use for the 312! The services that Docklands buses operates most of them are in territory that has not been heavily plagued by LTN's, constant roadworks or blank 20 mph. Pre-covid Arriva London North & South constantly topped the league tables for years, so they had to be doing something right. At the moment North London is a poo hole and it is what is probably another factor now why I am seeing Go-Ahead also not taking up 2 years extensions. Arriva's biggest mistake was not keeping more outer London routes as these seems to be the ones raking in money with EWT steps if it is done right.
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Post by ADH45258 on Mar 1, 2024 21:13:08 GMT
They could always be suitable for another route though. Well no not if the vehicles have been deemed to unreliable That's true, the SL5 would have seemed ideal if it was just due to length
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Post by fortheloveofbuses on Mar 1, 2024 21:17:46 GMT
They could always be suitable for another route though. Well no not if the vehicles have been deemed to unreliable It depends on what sense though. If they still work but have a horrible lifespan then maybe they could still be put on a shorter route with a lower PVR.
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Post by londonbuses on Mar 1, 2024 21:20:15 GMT
Well no not if the vehicles have been deemed to unreliable It depends on what sense though. If they still work but have a horrible lifespan then maybe they could still be put in a short route with a lower PVR. True but Arriva are not going to waste money installing chargers at another garage for buses which are 10 years old and incredibly unreliable.
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Post by greenboy on Mar 1, 2024 21:21:34 GMT
Well no not if the vehicles have been deemed to unreliable That's true, the SL5 would have seemed ideal if it was just due to length They could have been used on the SL5 or 166 but they're not up to the job.
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Post by fortheloveofbuses on Mar 1, 2024 21:24:41 GMT
It depends on what sense though. If they still work but have a horrible lifespan then maybe they could still be put in a short route with a lower PVR. True but Arriva are not going to waste money installing chargers at another garage for buses which are 10 years old and incredibly unreliable. True, Arriva don’t have many vacant charging points elsewhere right now, R.I.P. to the EMCs if they get withdrawn though.
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Post by YY13VKP on Mar 1, 2024 21:52:39 GMT
EMC5 is attatched to a tow truck in East Croydon right now. Not the most glamorous last day It had been there a while, it was last seen on LVF at 15:40 and I saw it looking sorry for itself around three hours later.
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Post by YY13VKP on Mar 1, 2024 22:03:54 GMT
They’re being withdrawn from the 312 because of the increased PVR. They could always be allocated to another route that has a lower PVR. They are being withdrawn from the 312 because they reportedly aren’t suitable for the extension. Nothing to do with the PVR increase. Yep definitely nothing to do with the PVR increase. That was why the ex RATP EMC’s were bought in the first place I’m sure. I’m not too sure if they would be too long for the bus turning at Old Lodge Lane though - 10.8m buses were not cleared on the 455 under Go-Ahead but Abellio sent them out plenty of times. As these EMC’s were the first production batch of electric buses in London, their batteries last significantly less than EV’s do now and since they’re more than likely to be lithium-ion powered batteries, these degrade over time. I was quite surprised that this was happening at first as Arriva could have upgraded the batteries on the EMC’s if they wanted to use them for the extension, but since this is very expensive and the 312 contract just has one more year left to run, it’s not economical to replace the batteries.
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Post by billa on Mar 1, 2024 22:09:09 GMT
Last Arriva 325 bus is currently going to be ENL74 on running number 52. Last departure will be 00:30 from Beckton Savacentre. Last bus from Prince Regent is the 00:20 departure, Running number 55 on ENL67
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Post by billa on Mar 1, 2024 22:22:09 GMT
Just received a call from DX. There's 5 drivers delivering the ENL's to Croydon for what I assume is for the 312.
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