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Post by DT 11 on Aug 3, 2024 21:39:41 GMT
Hopefully this medley of buses are heading back to AR... as more DWs are freed by incoming electrics for the 279, perhaps they will move to the 123 and 217. Shame blindsets are such a pain to make. Need to retrofit LEDs like TUK did with the 344 hybrids At this point, AR should do LED displays instead of N which gives money value. At this point common sense needs to apply. Did any company know they were going to take over routes at short notice? It is the definition of dispensation using whatever can go out to ensure a bus runs on the route. Cannot make a suggestion like this when plans were already set in stone for N’s refurbishments… Overall I give it a long while before any of these routes have appropriate blinds on display due to the emergency and probably at the cost of TFL. If LED blinds were introduced a long time ago then getting the correct displays on show would be as quick as lightning.
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Post by ! ALEED on Aug 3, 2024 21:42:09 GMT
That's not how it works - the LED displays are fitted as part of the refurbishment process hence why N's HV's are having them done whilst being refurbished and Transport UK are doing them prior to refurb (2546 has seemingly had the whole lot done which IIRC, would be the first of the QB MMC's to be both fully refurbished and have LED's fitted). Is it mandatory on refurbs now or just Arriva and Abellio's own decision to do it? Doesn't seem to be mandatory, Stagecoach and Go Ahead are also in the process of refurbishing their hybrids and they seem to still be fitted with smart blinds.
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Post by busoccultation on Aug 3, 2024 22:07:31 GMT
At this point, AR should do LED displays instead of N which gives money value. At this point common sense needs to apply. Did we know we was going to take over the 217 at short notice? It is the definition of dispensation using whatever can go out to ensure a bus runs on the route. Cannot make a suggestion like this when plans were already set in stone for N’s refurbishments… Overall I give it a long while before any of these routes have appropriate blinds on display due to the emergency and probably at the cost of TFL. If LED blinds were introduced a long time ago then getting the correct displays on show would be as quick as lightning. Pure guess from me, but I think 327 could the first ex Sullivan route to have normal blinded buses as all Metroline need to do is have an insert for Elsinge Estate plus the route number as Waltham Cross is already on the PB DE/DEM blindset for the 491 and that 327 does not have any curtailment point along the route for being how short it is.
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 3, 2024 22:14:03 GMT
At this point common sense needs to apply. Did we know we was going to take over the 217 at short notice? It is the definition of dispensation using whatever can go out to ensure a bus runs on the route. Cannot make a suggestion like this when plans were already set in stone for N’s refurbishments… Overall I give it a long while before any of these routes have appropriate blinds on display due to the emergency and probably at the cost of TFL. If LED blinds were introduced a long time ago then getting the correct displays on show would be as quick as lightning. Pure guess from me, but I think 327 could the first ex Sullivan route to have normal blinded buses as all Metroline need to do is have an insert for Elsinge Estate plus the route number as Waltham Cross is already on the PB DE/DEM blindset for the 491 and that 327 does not have any curtailment point along the route for being how short it is. No idea but yes buses would require inserts. I can imagine TFL will be dealing with these things all next week. Takes a long time to make blinds. Overall they could potentially purchase the blinds from Sullivan Buses for some routes such as the 217 & 298… they will not need them anymore
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 3, 2024 23:15:26 GMT
Is it mandatory on refurbs now or just Arriva and Abellio's own decision to do it? I honestly don't know - I'm hoping it's mandatory though Stuff like the scrabble for assorted buses with A4 sheets which could be mistaken for running numbers could have been avoided if there were LEDs, quick update with USB stick and done. I think TfL are in a position where McKenna are telling them, please just buy our LED kit rather than the old smartblinds as they themselves want to move away from having to make so many. I understand a handful for heritage stuff, but this was probably why the likes of Lothian dropped blinds in 2014 and went LED. Those refurbed HVs in Norwood do look smart though Hopefully a more defined allocation for the 217 soon, the HVs will be in demand for 123, 243, 341 in the week DWs would suit the 217 if there's a few spare from the 279 soon
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 3, 2024 23:22:33 GMT
I honestly don't know - I'm hoping it's mandatory though Stuff like the scrabble for assorted buses with A4 sheets which could be mistaken for running numbers could have been avoided if there were LEDs, quick update with USB stick and done. I think TfL are in a position where McKenna are telling them, please just buy our LED kit rather than the old smartblinds as they themselves want to move away from having to make so many. I understand a handful for heritage stuff, but this was probably why the likes of Lothian dropped blinds in 2014 and went LED. Those refurbed HVs in Norwood do look smart though Hopefully a more defined allocation for the 217 soon, the HVs will be in demand for 123, 243, 341 in the week DWs would suit the 217 if there's a few spare from the 279 soon The 279 has Ts allocated to it though ... The DWs are for the 121 &191. The former having a new contract for an additional 3 years agreed recently.
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Post by dace2 on Aug 4, 2024 6:50:25 GMT
At this point, AR should do LED displays instead of N which gives money value. At this point common sense needs to apply. Did any company know they were going to take over routes at short notice? It is the definition of dispensation using whatever can go out to ensure a bus runs on the route. Cannot make a suggestion like this when plans were already set in stone for N’s refurbishments… Overall I give it a long while before any of these routes have appropriate blinds on display due to the emergency and probably at the cost of TFL. If LED blinds were introduced a long time ago then getting the correct displays on show would be as quick as lightning. Well obviously not right now for the blinds/LEDs. Roller blinds would take long to make, not to mention that 217 ain't live tracking.
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 4, 2024 8:22:24 GMT
At this point common sense needs to apply. Did any company know they were going to take over routes at short notice? It is the definition of dispensation using whatever can go out to ensure a bus runs on the route. Cannot make a suggestion like this when plans were already set in stone for N’s refurbishments… Overall I give it a long while before any of these routes have appropriate blinds on display due to the emergency and probably at the cost of TFL. If LED blinds were introduced a long time ago then getting the correct displays on show would be as quick as lightning. Well obviously not right now for the blinds/LEDs. Roller blinds would take long to make, not to mention that 217 ain't live tracking. No routes will be tracking because the operators do not have schedules uploaded. They are using temporary skeleton schedules. Once official schedules are uploaded they will be on iBus.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 4, 2024 10:08:48 GMT
Pure guess from me, but I think 327 could the first ex Sullivan route to have normal blinded buses as all Metroline need to do is have an insert for Elsinge Estate plus the route number as Waltham Cross is already on the PB DE/DEM blindset for the 491 and that 327 does not have any curtailment point along the route for being how short it is. No idea but yes buses would require inserts. I can imagine TFL will be dealing with these things all next week. Takes a long time to make blinds. Overall they could potentially purchase the blinds from Sullivan Buses for some routes such as the 217 & 298… they will not need them anymore lol, I doubt very much Dean would let the blinds go to TfL from his buses, unless they pay him something like £1m for them
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 4, 2024 10:32:42 GMT
At this point common sense needs to apply. Did we know we was going to take over the 217 at short notice? It is the definition of dispensation using whatever can go out to ensure a bus runs on the route. Cannot make a suggestion like this when plans were already set in stone for N’s refurbishments… Overall I give it a long while before any of these routes have appropriate blinds on display due to the emergency and probably at the cost of TFL. If LED blinds were introduced a long time ago then getting the correct displays on show would be as quick as lightning. Pure guess from me, but I think 327 could the first ex Sullivan route to have normal blinded buses as all Metroline need to do is have an insert for Elsinge Estate plus the route number as Waltham Cross is already on the PB DE/DEM blindset for the 491 and that 327 does not have any curtailment point along the route for being how short it is. Unless the 549 operates out of WH using the 323 EV spare, which already has existing 549 blinds iirc.
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 4, 2024 10:59:13 GMT
No idea but yes buses would require inserts. I can imagine TFL will be dealing with these things all next week. Takes a long time to make blinds. Overall they could potentially purchase the blinds from Sullivan Buses for some routes such as the 217 & 298… they will not need them anymore lol, I doubt very much Dean would let the blinds go to TfL from his buses, unless they pay him something like £1m for them That would be good business, like an £800k return He can now paint the MMCs green and use them for Commercial stuff in Herts... Plus they are moving base so perhaps they are consolidating into one location. I hear most of the routes have been free as iBus and ETMs aren't set up. TfL might want to look into that, I don't think The Chancellor will bail them out as often
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Post by COBO on Aug 4, 2024 14:49:19 GMT
Have Arriva borrowed E400 MMCs that were on the 217 from Sullivan Buses for the 217?
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 4, 2024 14:50:14 GMT
Have Arriva borrowed E400 MMCs that were on the 217 from Sullivan Buses for the 217? No they're using their own HV's, DW's and potentially a HA or two at the minute.
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 4, 2024 15:14:53 GMT
Pretty much the entire batch of ES142-160 is now parked at N.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 4, 2024 15:20:54 GMT
Have Arriva borrowed E400 MMCs that were on the 217 from Sullivan Buses for the 217? Sullivan Buses have retained the buses (none are leased as I understand it) and most will move into the provincial fleet according to Mr Sullivan.
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