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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 9, 2024 18:48:41 GMT
Well the first ones to be in South London were the ones on the 24. As the 24 does go into South London. 24 doesn't cross the river - at least not in service. But isn't it SW1 though. Yes it is not south of the river, but has a South London postcode |
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 9, 2024 18:54:00 GMT
24 doesn't cross the river - at least not in service. But isn't it SW1 though. Yes it is not south of the river, but has a South London postcode Some SW postcodes are South London, but I would not put SW1 - which includes the Houses of Parliament and Buckingham Palace - into that category! |
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Post by sp17 on Dec 9, 2024 19:53:55 GMT
If my memory serves me correct the E400 was designed by a bunch of former ELC employees; and you can see the design cues in the Optare Rapta and MMC. Wow just looking at the Rapta, a vehicle I so wanted to see come to fruition at the time, I never would never have made the Rapta MMC comparison, but you can definitely see MMC shades in it. Were they really ELC staff? Timing would suggest it was more and Optare heritage vehicle than ELC? Styling also says more Optare than ELC. I think it was a reserve take over so it essentially was ELC with the Optare name. The Rapta was a lovely looking vehicle; the funny thing is the vehicle that was taken to the NEC was literally a shell, and nothing more. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 9, 2024 22:31:41 GMT
24 doesn't cross the river - at least not in service. But isn't it SW1 though. Yes it is not south of the river, but has a South London postcode It’s not South London - postcodes don’t pertain to whether a place comes under a certain description. Brixton is several SW postcodes & Herne Hill is SE24 postcode yet neither are classed as South West or South East. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 9, 2024 22:35:45 GMT
The Rapta was a good looking vehicle, can't say the same for the Solo+ at the time though - they found a way to take the classic Solo and butcher it, particularly the front end. The Solo+ was just taking the Rapta styling and applying it to the Solo. I personally preferred it to the SR which became the new shaped Solo. Have never been a fan of the bulge Optare models, Solo SR or Versa. IMO it never worked as well for the Solo+ compared to the Rapta. I don’t mind the Solo SR though I prefer the classic Solo and the Versa is a lovely vehicle to ride on personally. |
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Post by TB123 on Dec 10, 2024 8:24:56 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 10, 2024 8:36:08 GMT
Confirms the rumours about the 149. I'd expect an official TFL release that also confirms the 118 and 414 won't be retendered now. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 10, 2024 9:29:09 GMT
Was this not a few weeks ago. A lot of this is down to traffic conditions and rising costs associated with the LT's like many operators are suffering. Even though TfL own and effectively lease the LT's to operators for £1, they have been plagued with extreme costs and lost mechanical mileage on them TfL are not taking any responsibility or slack on them. Various parts on back order is not helping and it seems as though they have given up in part on the LT's where a few years ago there was a lot of support for them. |
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 10, 2024 9:51:39 GMT
This doesn't surprise me. I think Arriva is very likely to retain the 149 on a more lucrative 3-year contract, but the 248 is vulnerable. According to capitalomnibus (see above) the increasing unreliability of the LTs as they age, and delays in acquiring spare parts, may be factors here. |
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Post by enviroPB on Dec 10, 2024 10:27:01 GMT
Was this not a few weeks ago. A lot of this is down to traffic conditions and rising costs associated with the LT's like many operators are suffering. Even though TfL own and effectively lease the LT's to operators for £1, they have been plagued with extreme costs and lost mechanical mileage on them TfL are not taking any responsibility or slack on them. Various parts on back order is not helping and it seems as though they have given up in part on the LT's where a few years ago there was a lot of support for them. The 248's problems are well documented on here so not too surprising. AR must've looked at the new buses coming in and had a good think as to if the 149's current LT allocation is worth the hassle. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 10, 2024 10:30:04 GMT
Was this not a few weeks ago. A lot of this is down to traffic conditions and rising costs associated with the LT's like many operators are suffering. Even though TfL own and effectively lease the LT's to operators for £1, they have been plagued with extreme costs and lost mechanical mileage on them TfL are not taking any responsibility or slack on them. Various parts on back order is not helping and it seems as though they have given up in part on the LT's where a few years ago there was a lot of support for them. The 248's problems are well documented on here so not too surprising. AR must've looked at the new buses coming in and had a good think as to if the 149's current LT allocation is worth the hassle. I can't imagine AR had an influence on the 149 being thrown back, it will have been done from head office and the finance teams. |
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Post by enviroPB on Dec 10, 2024 10:34:00 GMT
The 248's problems are well documented on here so not too surprising. AR must've looked at the new buses coming in and had a good think as to if the 149's current LT allocation is worth the hassle. I can't imagine AR had an influence on the 149 being thrown back, it will have been done from head office and the finance teams. You can't imagine the garage that houses a problem route had a say in the route being thrown back? My bad, I forgot Arrival Merseyside deals with the 149's maintenance... 🤦 |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 10, 2024 10:40:23 GMT
I can't imagine AR had an influence on the 149 being thrown back, it will have been done from head office and the finance teams. You can't imagine the garage that houses a problem route had a say in the route being thrown back? My bad, I forgot Arrival Merseyside deals with the 149's maintenance... 🤦 The 149s decision is a financial decision as clearly mentioned in the staff notice. The finance department will be based at Wood Green so why would Tottenham garage's engineers get a say? |
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Post by MMS2001 on Dec 10, 2024 10:53:27 GMT
Was this not a few weeks ago. A lot of this is down to traffic conditions and rising costs associated with the LT's like many operators are suffering. Even though TfL own and effectively lease the LT's to operators for £1, they have been plagued with extreme costs and lost mechanical mileage on them TfL are not taking any responsibility or slack on them. Various parts on back order is not helping and it seems as though they have given up in part on the LT's where a few years ago there was a lot of support for them. The 248's problems are well documented on here so not too surprising. AR must've looked at the new buses coming in and had a good think as to if the 149's current LT allocation is worth the hassle. If Arriva bid for the 248 again I wonder if they'll use different buses as surely they can't scrape another 3 years with buses deteriorating so fast. Any ideas if Arriva have any buses which would be suitable? Also in regards to routes which have been terminated early does anyone know a percentage of retains? I'm sure its high possibly even 100% but I don't have an exact figure off the top of my head. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 10, 2024 11:01:27 GMT
The 248's problems are well documented on here so not too surprising. AR must've looked at the new buses coming in and had a good think as to if the 149's current LT allocation is worth the hassle. If Arriva bid for the 248 again I wonder if they'll use different buses as surely they can't scrape another 3 years with buses deteriorating so fast. Any ideas if Arriva have any buses which would be suitable? Also in regards to routes which have been terminated early does anyone know a percentage of retains? I'm sure its high possibly even 100% but I don't have an exact figure off the top of my head. It's not 100%, the C3, 306, 481 and 28 all changed operator. But yes the vast majority have been retains. |
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