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Post by greenboy on Jan 24, 2022 8:43:04 GMT
507: extended from Waterloo to London Bridge via route 521. Linking Victoria with London Bridge and to maintain links lost by the 521. 521: discontinued. I wonder if the 507 or 521 or both be discontinued as a victim of TfL’s axing’s. I suspect the 507 and 521 will go in due course with part replacement by other routes, even before covid commuter traffic was declining and the opening of City Thameslink has greatly reduced demand from London Bridge.
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Post by WH241 on Jan 24, 2022 9:04:18 GMT
507: extended from Waterloo to London Bridge via route 521. Linking Victoria with London Bridge and to maintain links lost by the 521. 521: discontinued. I wonder if the 507 or 521 or both be discontinued as a victim of TfL’s axing’s. Think both routes are likely to continue for the next few years at least. We need to see what commuting patterns are like as people return to the office this year. Big businesses such as Google have confidence to buy whole office blocks so are confident office work still has a future even if a hybrid model. The current buses have also started to be refurbished so would be wasteful if the buses then have to have further work at a later date to fit more seats if moved to other routes.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 24, 2022 11:39:37 GMT
507: extended from Waterloo to London Bridge via route 521. Linking Victoria with London Bridge and to maintain links lost by the 521. 521: discontinued. I wonder if the 507 or 521 or both be discontinued as a victim of TfL’s axing’s. Think both routes are likely to continue for the next few years at least. We need to see what commuting patterns are like as people return to the office this year. Big businesses such as Google have confidence to buy whole office blocks so are confident office work still has a future even if a hybrid model. The current buses have also started to be refurbished so would be wasteful if the buses then have to have further work at a later date to fit more seats if moved to other routes. If I were to guess, and it’s only a guess, then I think the 507 looks the safer of the two to survive longer term. The 521’s business may well be able to be covered by other bus routes and the Tube post pandemic.
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Post by WH241 on Jan 24, 2022 11:49:16 GMT
Think both routes are likely to continue for the next few years at least. We need to see what commuting patterns are like as people return to the office this year. Big businesses such as Google have confidence to buy whole office blocks so are confident office work still has a future even if a hybrid model. The current buses have also started to be refurbished so would be wasteful if the buses then have to have further work at a later date to fit more seats if moved to other routes. If I were to guess, and it’s only a guess, then I think the 507 looks the safer of the two to survive longer term. The 521’s business may well be able to be covered by other bus routes and the Tube post pandemic. I know the 521 is Monday to Friday but think it’s useful to support the 8 and 25 between Bank and Holborn / City Thames Link.
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Post by cl54 on Jan 24, 2022 17:21:57 GMT
507: extended from Waterloo to London Bridge via route 521. Linking Victoria with London Bridge and to maintain links lost by the 521. 521: discontinued. I wonder if the 507 or 521 or both be discontinued as a victim of TfL’s axing’s. Both routes cater for passengers arriving at main line terminals who want areas not served by the Tube from those stations. Horseferry Road and St Thomas' Hospital are examples on the 507. Holborn and St Paul's on the 521.
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Post by rift on Jan 24, 2022 18:17:02 GMT
507: extended from Waterloo to London Bridge via route 521. Linking Victoria with London Bridge and to maintain links lost by the 521. 521: discontinued. I wonder if the 507 or 521 or both be discontinued as a victim of TfL’s axing’s. I think combining the two Red Arrows may prove difficult, especially with possible loads outside Waterloo Station and actually working out a join that works properly, but you do raise a valid point about the future of the two routes. If, hypothetically, they were removed, they could I suppose be removed thus : 36 withdrawn north of Victoria, a new route I shall call 82 to combine the Queen’s Park end of the current 36 and the 507; 115 recast to be a Waterloo to Blackwall service, via 521 (but not the Strand underpass of course!) to Bank, then 25 to Aldgate and current route 15 to Blackwall. 15 extended to East Ham, 521 withdrawn. I suspect there’s enough capacity London Bridge to City to allow no replacement of the 521 across the bridge. With your 36 proposal, this would remove the link from Peckham, Kennington, and Vauxhall to Hyde Park Corner and Paddington, so maybe the 185 could be extended to compensate for the lost links to the latter two areas, while Peckham would have to do with the 12 and changing to another bus,
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Post by abellion on Jan 24, 2022 18:23:46 GMT
I think combining the two Red Arrows may prove difficult, especially with possible loads outside Waterloo Station and actually working out a join that works properly, but you do raise a valid point about the future of the two routes. If, hypothetically, they were removed, they could I suppose be removed thus : 36 withdrawn north of Victoria, a new route I shall call 82 to combine the Queen’s Park end of the current 36 and the 507; 115 recast to be a Waterloo to Blackwall service, via 521 (but not the Strand underpass of course!) to Bank, then 25 to Aldgate and current route 15 to Blackwall. 15 extended to East Ham, 521 withdrawn. I suspect there’s enough capacity London Bridge to City to allow no replacement of the 521 across the bridge. With your 36 proposal, this would remove the link from Peckham, Kennington, and Vauxhall to Hyde Park Corner and Paddington, so maybe the 185 could be extended to compensate for the lost links to the latter two areas, while Peckham would have to do with the 12 and changing to another bus, The 185 is far longer in the south compared to the 36. If either of them get kept north of Victoria I think it would be the 36
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Post by Alexis on Jan 25, 2022 15:23:34 GMT
330 extended to Whitechapel via East India Dock Road, Burdett Road, Mile End Road
Provides extra capacity from Barking Road and Canning Town to Poplar and Limehouse which can get quite busy, it's been suggested before that the 15 could be extended to Canning Town but in my experience of using the 115 a lot, not many eastbound passengers alight at Canning Town and similarly not many westbound passengers board there. Also provides extra capacity from East India Dock Road to Burdett Road which can get very busy on the D6 and passengers are often left behind at bus stops in the peaks along that section. Creates new links as well between Burdett Road and Mile End Road.
The only problem is that stand space is quite limited at Whitechapel. That could be resolved by having it run to Aldgate but that would probably overbus the Whitechapel to Aldgate corridor and traffic can get very congested along that section as well
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Post by WH241 on Jan 25, 2022 15:43:14 GMT
330 extended to Whitechapel via East India Dock Road, Burdett Road, Mile End Road Provides extra capacity from Barking Road and Canning Town to Poplar and Limehouse which can get quite busy, it's been suggested before that the 15 could be extended to Canning Town but in my experience of using the 115 a lot, not many eastbound passengers alight at Canning Town and similarly not many westbound passengers board there. Also provides extra capacity from East India Dock Road to Burdett Road which can get very busy on the D6 and passengers are often left behind at bus stops in the peaks along that section. Creates new links as well between Burdett Road and Mile End Road. The only problem is that stand space is quite limited at Whitechapel. That could be resolved by having it run to Aldgate but that would probably overbus the Whitechapel to Aldgate corridor and traffic can get very congested along that section as well Surely it would be simpler to double deck the D6? Does Burdett Road need another route? The same with Mile End Road. Surprised about the 115 comments as I have always found it picks up a lot of passengers westbound at Canning Town and also a lot of passengers stay on until Aldgate so if anything a link further west is needed but the links from the east keep getting cut.
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Post by theexplorer on Jan 25, 2022 17:20:42 GMT
330 extended to Whitechapel via East India Dock Road, Burdett Road, Mile End Road Provides extra capacity from Barking Road and Canning Town to Poplar and Limehouse which can get quite busy, it's been suggested before that the 15 could be extended to Canning Town but in my experience of using the 115 a lot, not many eastbound passengers alight at Canning Town and similarly not many westbound passengers board there. Also provides extra capacity from East India Dock Road to Burdett Road which can get very busy on the D6 and passengers are often left behind at bus stops in the peaks along that section. Creates new links as well between Burdett Road and Mile End Road. The only problem is that stand space is quite limited at Whitechapel. That could be resolved by having it run to Aldgate but that would probably overbus the Whitechapel to Aldgate corridor and traffic can get very congested along that section as well Reroute the 205 from Mile End to Blackwall via D6 instead?
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Post by WH241 on Jan 25, 2022 17:23:10 GMT
330 extended to Whitechapel via East India Dock Road, Burdett Road, Mile End Road Provides extra capacity from Barking Road and Canning Town to Poplar and Limehouse which can get quite busy, it's been suggested before that the 15 could be extended to Canning Town but in my experience of using the 115 a lot, not many eastbound passengers alight at Canning Town and similarly not many westbound passengers board there. Also provides extra capacity from East India Dock Road to Burdett Road which can get very busy on the D6 and passengers are often left behind at bus stops in the peaks along that section. Creates new links as well between Burdett Road and Mile End Road. The only problem is that stand space is quite limited at Whitechapel. That could be resolved by having it run to Aldgate but that would probably overbus the Whitechapel to Aldgate corridor and traffic can get very congested along that section as well Reroute the 205 from Mile End to Blackwall via D6 instead? Or again just double deck the D6! Why go meddling and inconveniencing passengers from the 205.
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Post by theexplorer on Jan 25, 2022 17:30:16 GMT
Reroute the 205 from Mile End to Blackwall via D6 instead? Or again just double deck the D6! Why go meddling and inconveniencing passengers from the 205. I see a lot of comments suggesting a Poplar/Whitechapel link and there doubt the 115 reroute via Stepney Way will ever happen and yes I agree double deck the D6 especially with the development over Wood Wharf
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Post by Alexis on Jan 27, 2022 11:16:07 GMT
330 extended to Whitechapel via East India Dock Road, Burdett Road, Mile End Road Provides extra capacity from Barking Road and Canning Town to Poplar and Limehouse which can get quite busy, it's been suggested before that the 15 could be extended to Canning Town but in my experience of using the 115 a lot, not many eastbound passengers alight at Canning Town and similarly not many westbound passengers board there. Also provides extra capacity from East India Dock Road to Burdett Road which can get very busy on the D6 and passengers are often left behind at bus stops in the peaks along that section. Creates new links as well between Burdett Road and Mile End Road. The only problem is that stand space is quite limited at Whitechapel. That could be resolved by having it run to Aldgate but that would probably overbus the Whitechapel to Aldgate corridor and traffic can get very congested along that section as well Surely it would be simpler to double deck the D6? Does Burdett Road need another route? The same with Mile End Road. Surprised about the 115 comments as I have always found it picks up a lot of passengers westbound at Canning Town and also a lot of passengers stay on until Aldgate so if anything a link further west is needed but the links from the east keep getting cut. Perhaps a better option to what I said then would be to double deck the D6 as you said and then also extend the 15 to Canning Town and merge it with the 330? The 115 does pick up w/b passengers and drop off e/b passengers at Canning Town but not enough to warrant an extension to the 15 just to Canning Town in my experience, there have even been times when I've taken the 115 in the peaks from Aldgate to Canning Town and the bus has been pretty full but I was the only one who got off there. Ideally I would extend the 15 to at least Plaistow or Upton Park but I don't believe there's any stand space there so a merge with the 330 might work out better
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 27, 2022 13:49:58 GMT
I think combining the two Red Arrows may prove difficult, especially with possible loads outside Waterloo Station and actually working out a join that works properly, but you do raise a valid point about the future of the two routes. If, hypothetically, they were removed, they could I suppose be removed thus : 36 withdrawn north of Victoria, a new route I shall call 82 to combine the Queen’s Park end of the current 36 and the 507; 115 recast to be a Waterloo to Blackwall service, via 521 (but not the Strand underpass of course!) to Bank, then 25 to Aldgate and current route 15 to Blackwall. 15 extended to East Ham, 521 withdrawn. I suspect there’s enough capacity London Bridge to City to allow no replacement of the 521 across the bridge. With your 36 proposal, this would remove the link from Peckham, Kennington, and Vauxhall to Hyde Park Corner and Paddington, so maybe the 185 could be extended to compensate for the lost links to the latter two areas, while Peckham would have to do with the 12 and changing to another bus, A fair point. Another possible way to do away with the 521 would be to withdraw the 8 between Holborn and Tottenham Court Road, and instead divert it to Waterloo, and extend the 98 east to somewhere along the current 521 depending on taste.
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Post by greenboy on Jan 27, 2022 13:57:56 GMT
With your 36 proposal, this would remove the link from Peckham, Kennington, and Vauxhall to Hyde Park Corner and Paddington, so maybe the 185 could be extended to compensate for the lost links to the latter two areas, while Peckham would have to do with the 12 and changing to another bus, A fair point. Another possible way to do away with the 521 would be to withdraw the 8 between Holborn and Tottenham Court Road, and instead divert it to Waterloo, and extend the 98 east to somewhere along the current 521 depending on taste. That crossed my mind, rerouting the 8 to Waterloo and extending the 25 to Tottenham Court Road. This also keeps the Waterloo to Liverpool Street connection if the 26 gets cut which is probably a better option than reducing the 15?
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