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Post by cl54 on Jul 2, 2022 8:53:52 GMT
New DD route Finsbury Park to Stratford to give Stratford a northern link and to make links for Arsenal and Drayton Park. St Thomas's Road, Arsenal, Drayton Park, Holloway Road, Highbury and Islington, Grosvenor Ave, Newington Green, Mildway Road, Dalston Junction, Graham Road, Morning Lane, Follow 30, Follow 488, Follow 339 towards Stratford, Warton Road, High Street to Stratford. Extend D8 to Stratford International using Penny Brookes street for stand space for new route. Divert 425 via Hackney Central and maybe make 106 use the 425 route then resume to its routing via turning at Victoria Park Road Towards Finsbury Park it will go via Old Ford Road however just to make the 425 more useful I don't think this needed especially if those messes up 106 heavily. I would like to hear your opinions and make better or give feedback or different alternatives to this. Sorry but London Overground provides links/connections on a much more reliable basis.
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Post by busman on Jul 2, 2022 10:51:44 GMT
Of course I have, heavy at peak times. Do you have any suggestions regarding the 422? Withdraw west of Woolwich. Could stand in Hare Street. Hopper fare for buses beyond. There are too many buses between Woolwich and Blackheath Royal Standard and between there and North Greenwich. It could be argued that all major corridors into Woolwich have “too many” buses (e.g. Plumstead, Charlton, Royal Standard), but the same can be said about any major hub in the suburbs. By that logic we should axe routes on the approach to every major destination. The overlap between those routes is relatively small. It’s better to look at what happens to routes either side of those short corridors, rather than suggesting cutting a route without replacement for lost links. Even through this period of managed decline, TfL have been careful to retain bus connections preferring to extend routes rather than removing links altogether.
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Post by ronnie on Jul 2, 2022 13:20:06 GMT
Withdraw west of Woolwich. Could stand in Hare Street. Hopper fare for buses beyond. There are too many buses between Woolwich and Blackheath Royal Standard and between there and North Greenwich. It could be argued that all major corridors into Woolwich have “too many” buses (e.g. Plumstead, Charlton, Royal Standard), but the same can be said about any major hub in the suburbs. By that logic we should axe routes on the approach to every major destination. The overlap between those routes is relatively small. It’s better to look at what happens to routes either side of those short corridors, rather than suggesting cutting a route without replacement for lost links. Even though this period of managed decline, TfL have been careful to retain bus connections preferring to extend routes rather than removing links altogether. I would add that it’s also partially restricted by geography. Unlike in the west / north when you can have multiple corridors - in east / SE owing to the Thames and the way it meanders implies that routes fan out and then converge onto certain spots Take North Greenwich for example. I am waiting for someone to argue that there are too many buses to North Greenwich and chop a few! Whereas almost all are needed simply because people bus into the station and there are only so many corridors into the station. Hence you have multiple routes radiating out of the station and going elsewhere and hence also intersecting at various places in between
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Post by cl54 on Jul 3, 2022 0:55:22 GMT
It could be argued that all major corridors into Woolwich have “too many” buses (e.g. Plumstead, Charlton, Royal Standard), but the same can be said about any major hub in the suburbs. By that logic we should axe routes on the approach to every major destination. The overlap between those routes is relatively small. It’s better to look at what happens to routes either side of those short corridors, rather than suggesting cutting a route without replacement for lost links. Even though this period of managed decline, TfL have been careful to retain bus connections preferring to extend routes rather than removing links altogether. I would add that it’s also partially restricted by geography. Unlike in the west / north when you can have multiple corridors - in east / SE owing to the Thames and the way it meanders implies that routes fan out and then converge onto certain spots Take North Greenwich for example. I am waiting for someone to argue that there are too many buses to North Greenwich and chop a few! Whereas almost all are needed simply because people bus into the station and there are only so many corridors into the station. Hence you have multiple routes radiating out of the station and going elsewhere and hence also intersecting at various places in between The problem with North Greenwich is that it is (wrongly) in Zone 2. Anyone using a Zone 1/2 Travelcard gets "free" bus travel in the whole of London. TfL needs to increase income not give their journey to/from North Greenwich away for nothing. The station should be only in Zone 3 to correspond with the other local stations. Of course, those not in the know use Oyster/Contactless and pay for their journeys.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jul 3, 2022 7:28:20 GMT
I would add that it’s also partially restricted by geography. Unlike in the west / north when you can have multiple corridors - in east / SE owing to the Thames and the way it meanders implies that routes fan out and then converge onto certain spots Take North Greenwich for example. I am waiting for someone to argue that there are too many buses to North Greenwich and chop a few! Whereas almost all are needed simply because people bus into the station and there are only so many corridors into the station. Hence you have multiple routes radiating out of the station and going elsewhere and hence also intersecting at various places in between The problem with North Greenwich is that it is (wrongly) in Zone 2. Anyone using a Zone 1/2 Travelcard gets "free" bus travel in the whole of London. TfL needs to increase income not give their journey to/from North Greenwich away for nothing. The station should be only in Zone 3 to correspond with the other local stations. Of course, those not in the know use Oyster/Contactless and pay for their journeys. No because it would mean someone travelling from West Ham into Canada Water would need to pay to enter Z3 at North Greenwich. It's similar to Kennington being bumped to Z1/2 upon the NLE.
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Post by cl54 on Jul 3, 2022 9:33:37 GMT
The problem with North Greenwich is that it is (wrongly) in Zone 2. Anyone using a Zone 1/2 Travelcard gets "free" bus travel in the whole of London. TfL needs to increase income not give their journey to/from North Greenwich away for nothing. The station should be only in Zone 3 to correspond with the other local stations. Of course, those not in the know use Oyster/Contactless and pay for their journeys. No because it would mean someone travelling from West Ham into Canada Water would need to pay to enter Z3 at North Greenwich. It's similar to Kennington being bumped to Z1/2 upon the NLE. A good case for making the Zone 2/3 stations into just just Zone 3. Revenue is needed.
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Post by aaron1 on Jul 3, 2022 9:48:41 GMT
N550 merge back in to N551 and extend to Oxford Circus and East Beckton Sainsburys and rerouted back via Victoria Embankment
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 3, 2022 11:27:51 GMT
N550 merge back in to N551 and extend to Oxford Circus and East Beckton Sainsburys and rerouted back via Victoria Embankment Apart from the Victoria Embankment suggestion, there is no need for any other changes. The N50 was broken up in 2008 into the N550 and N551 to provide extra capacity up to Canning Town as well as to quicken journey times from the Beckton area into central London. Your suggestion will literally take night bus users back into the past with the same problems as before the N50 was dispelled. It's too much of a retrograde step.
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Post by londonbuses on Jul 4, 2022 23:17:29 GMT
Would it be worth diverting the 490 between Twickenham and Hanworth along Hospital Bridge Road, Powder Mill Lane, Hanworth Road and Hounslow Road? This would restore the lost link between Powder Mill Lane and Twickenham from the 110 changes, directly link Hanworth (areas not served by the 285) with Heathrow (an awful lot faster than the 111 does), and reduce duplication of the 285.
Might also be worth diverting the 290 between Apex Corner and Bear Road along Hampton Road West and Hounslow Road (leaving a short section of A316 unserved).
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Post by COBO on Jul 5, 2022 19:47:32 GMT
305
Running between Central Middlesex Hospital and Hayes & Harlington Station.
Via: Route 440 to Wembley Triangle Harrow Road Wembley High Road Route 83 to Alperton Ealing Road Bridgewater Road Whitton Avenue East Sudbury Town Station Greenford Road Westway Cross Retail Park Greenford Roundabout Greenford Broadway Greenford Road Uxbridge Road Route 427 to Hayes Grapes Coldharbour Lane Route 140 to Hayes & Harlington Station
Purpose: To provide a links like example Coldharbour Lane with Southall Broadway, Westway Cross with Alperton and Wembley, Uxbridge Road with Greenford, Southall with Alperton and Wembley, Alperton and Wembley Central with Central Middlesex Hospital.
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Post by secretbu5dude on Jul 7, 2022 1:03:45 GMT
305 Running between Central Middlesex Hospital and Hayes & Harlington Station. Via: Route 440 to Wembley Triangle Harrow Road Wembley High Road Route 83 to Alperton Ealing Road Bridgewater Road Whitton Avenue East Sudbury Town Station Greenford Road Westway Cross Retail Park Greenford Roundabout Greenford Broadway Greenford Road Uxbridge Road Route 427 to Hayes Grapes Coldharbour Lane Route 140 to Hayes & Harlington Station Purpose: To provide a links like example Coldharbour Lane with Southall Broadway, Westway Cross with Alperton and Wembley, Uxbridge Road with Greenford, Southall with Alperton and Wembley, Alperton and Wembley Central with Central Middlesex Hospital. An interesting route, so much traffic hotspots though 😩 What frequency was you thinking? DD's presuming?
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Post by northlondon83 on Jul 7, 2022 5:49:23 GMT
Changes in the Peckham area: 45 withdrawn between E&C and Camberwell but extended to Canada Water/Surrey Quays via New Cross Gate. This keeps Brixton Hill's hospital link and introduces more cross south London links.
N321 - new night bus to operate from Foots Cray to Vauxhall via current 321 and 36. To improve night bus services in south London
12 - withdrawn, replaced by 171 and 197
148 - retained as it is and not extended to Dulwich
171 - extended to Oxford Circus via 12
40 - extended to Penge via 176. To replace the 176
1 - rerouted between TCR and Aldwych via the 176. To replace the 176
176 - withdrawn, replaced by the 40 and 1
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Post by greenboy on Jul 7, 2022 6:49:00 GMT
Changes in the Peckham area: 45 withdrawn between E&C and Camberwell but extended to Canada Water/Surrey Quays via New Cross Gate. This keeps Brixton Hill's hospital link and introduces more cross south London links. N321 - new night bus to operate from Foots Cray to Vauxhall via current 321 and 36. To improve night bus services in south London 12 - withdrawn, replaced by 171 and 197 148 - retained as it is and not extended to Dulwich 171 - extended to Oxford Circus via 12 40 - extended to Penge via 176. To replace the 176 1 - rerouted between TCR and Aldwych via the 176. To replace the 176 176 - withdrawn, replaced by the 40 and 1 TfL have obviously decided two routes are sufficient between Camberwell and Brixton so not much chance of saving the 45. The 345 could be extended to Canada Water if the Clapham Junction to South Kensington section was withdrawn, the 49 could then stay as it is with the 19 rerouted via the 345 route. I think the 171 would only be extended to Whitehall, TfL obviously want to reduce buses on Regent Street. The 40 could be extended to Penge and possibly withdrawn north of Elephant & Castle? I can't see any need to withdraw the 176 though, it could be TCR to Dulwich. The 1 is already in line to be extended to Hampstead Heath replacing the 168. You would also be leaving Barry Road with only the 197. I think the N321 to Vauxhall is a good idea, certainly Friday and Saturday nights.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 7, 2022 11:44:50 GMT
Changes in the Peckham area: 45 withdrawn between E&C and Camberwell but extended to Canada Water/Surrey Quays via New Cross Gate. This keeps Brixton Hill's hospital link and introduces more cross south London links. N321 - new night bus to operate from Foots Cray to Vauxhall via current 321 and 36. To improve night bus services in south London 12 - withdrawn, replaced by 171 and 197 148 - retained as it is and not extended to Dulwich 171 - extended to Oxford Circus via 12 40 - extended to Penge via 176. To replace the 176 1 - rerouted between TCR and Aldwych via the 176. To replace the 176 176 - withdrawn, replaced by the 40 and 1 TfL have obviously decided two routes are sufficient between Camberwell and Brixton so not much chance of saving the 45. The 345 could be extended to Canada Water if the Clapham Junction to South Kensington section was withdrawn, the 49 could then stay as it is with the 19 rerouted via the 345 route. I think the 171 would only be extended to Whitehall, TfL obviously want to reduce buses on Regent Street. The 40 could be extended to Penge and possibly withdrawn north of Elephant & Castle? I can't see any need to withdraw the 176 though, it could be TCR to Dulwich. The 1 is already in line to be extended to Hampstead Heath replacing the 168. You would also be leaving Barry Road with only the 197. I think the N321 to Vauxhall is a good idea, certainly Friday and Saturday nights. Just because TfL thinks leaving Coldharbour Lane with two routes is ok, doesn’t mean it is. The 45 should absolutely be kept or at least it’s important links should be I see no reason for a N321 to Vauxhall - Vauxhall has no night life and is merely an interchange point during the day plus the N136 can be boarded at Lewisham so any 321 could simply be 24 hour rather than extending further than it needs to be
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 7, 2022 11:51:56 GMT
TfL have obviously decided two routes are sufficient between Camberwell and Brixton so not much chance of saving the 45. The 345 could be extended to Canada Water if the Clapham Junction to South Kensington section was withdrawn, the 49 could then stay as it is with the 19 rerouted via the 345 route. I think the 171 would only be extended to Whitehall, TfL obviously want to reduce buses on Regent Street. The 40 could be extended to Penge and possibly withdrawn north of Elephant & Castle? I can't see any need to withdraw the 176 though, it could be TCR to Dulwich. The 1 is already in line to be extended to Hampstead Heath replacing the 168. You would also be leaving Barry Road with only the 197. I think the N321 to Vauxhall is a good idea, certainly Friday and Saturday nights. Just because TfL thinks leaving Coldharbour Lane with two routes is ok, doesn’t mean it is. The 45 should absolutely be kept or at least it’s important links should be I see no reason for a N321 to Vauxhall - Vauxhall has no night life and is merely an interchange point during the day plus the N136 can be boarded at Lewisham so any 321 could simply be 24 hour rather than extending further than it needs to be There is a pretty fantastic gay bar in Vauxhall. Definitely night life. There may also be a bit more once the new hotels open.
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