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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 20:09:27 GMT
Is this Haringay council doing a review or TFL. If its Haringay then I doubt much would be carried forward by TFL It's TfL, in partnership with Haringey Council. This is not like the Enfield one which was done by the borough themselves.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 7, 2020 20:14:39 GMT
In my opinion the 29 is exactly the sort of busy trunk route that shouldn't be meddled with. I know the 25 and 140 are both in the top 10 and TfL showed no restraint when destroying those routes but doesn't mean the 29 should follow them, would be barmy to cut a well used link to the West End especially after the 134 was removed from TCR.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 7, 2020 20:15:29 GMT
The 24 is hard one to extend as it termites almost at two dead end terminals which is probably why it's hasn't really changed. To arrive at South end Green there isn't really anywhere to extend the route further as it's kind of buried in a load of side streets and the same with Grosenvor Road, you'd have to run to G Road then loop out of Pimlico again to go somewhere else like Vauxhall.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 7, 2020 20:39:43 GMT
The 24 is hard one to extend as it termites almost at two dead end terminals which is probably why it's hasn't really changed. To arrive at South end Green there isn't really anywhere to extend the route further as it's kind of buried in a load of side streets and the same with Grosenvor Road, you'd have to run to G Road then loop out of Pimlico again to go somewhere else like Vauxhall. Extending the 24 to Golders Green is one possibility.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 7, 2020 21:07:59 GMT
But do you really need another DD route along Pond Street. The 46, 168 and C11 more then cope along that stretch.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 7, 2020 21:53:29 GMT
Judging by the wording in his reply, I don't think he is currently at liberty to share it. I don't think they would do a borough review for just one route, would just fall under a Route 29 consultation should that route be part of it - most likely it will involve a number of routes though I think the 29 being extended is something we could quite easily rule out personally. Ah, thats going to be bad news then. A cut or rerouting on the 29 is a no 😔 I think we need to simply wait & see rather than wildly speculating on what could or couldn't happen - the only things we know is a review is taking place and that apparently, we may actually like the result of it or at least an aspect of it
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 7, 2020 22:16:19 GMT
Could be like the Croydon one that has bought some new ideas like the 312 to Old Lodge Lane, potential new route in Kenley and improved links to Crystal Palace.
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Post by londonboy71 on Aug 7, 2020 22:33:44 GMT
253 is v old route replacing 653 apart from western end small diversion it's the same route. 140 is virtually same route for many decades. E1 and E3 are same as 97 and 55 .73 same eastern terminus cut back from Richmond to Victoria but same routing. 65 Ealing to Kingston Lots of v old routes haven't changed much since 1934
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Post by greg on Aug 7, 2020 23:18:10 GMT
Ah, thats going to be bad news then. A cut or rerouting on the 29 is a no 😔 Trying not to be too much of a Mr Grumpy but seems people are happy to discuss and suggest wild changes to routes expect when its a local route to them.
Uhm you are Mr Grumpy there. Not to be Mr Grumpy aswell but I only speak on local routes. The 24 is also my local which Im guessing is what your referring. The 29 is a perfect route as it is, and not bringing it up again but the 24 isnt.
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Post by greg on Aug 7, 2020 23:19:36 GMT
Ah, thats going to be bad news then. A cut or rerouting on the 29 is a no 😔 I think we need to simply wait & see rather than wildly speculating on what could or couldn't happen - the only things we know is a review is taking place and that apparently, we may actually like the result of it or at least an aspect of it Yeah true
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Post by vjaska on Aug 7, 2020 23:56:15 GMT
Could be like the Croydon one that has bought some new ideas like the 312 to Old Lodge Lane, potential new route in Kenley and improved links to Crystal Palace. The improved links to Crystal Palace were merely proposals in a development paper - there is no guarantee that it would go ahead at all.
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Post by londonboy71 on Aug 8, 2020 8:36:52 GMT
No one knows what will if and when Covid goes away.the " new normal " is that office workers will more and more work from home all they need is a computer and broadband and they can be anywhere in the world why struggle to get on a tube or bus ? Most stations are well below normal usage and buses are restricted to 30 pax. Of course most bus usage is by people who cant work from home and those have to be catered for but I think well find buses being cut eg from 6bph to maybe 4bph. This will be the new reality specially as TFL is losing money at an alarming rate die to less tube usage and delays to Crossrail .Discuss
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 8:49:05 GMT
No one knows what will if and when Covid goes away.the " new normal " is that office workers will more and more work from home all they need is a computer and broadband and they can be anywhere in the world why struggle to get on a tube or bus ? Most stations are well below normal usage and buses are restricted to 30 pax. Of course most bus usage is by people who cant work from home and those have to be catered for but I think well find buses being cut eg from 6bph to maybe 4bph. This will be the new reality specially as TFL is losing money at an alarming rate die to less tube usage and delays to Crossrail .Discuss All that is needed is a computer and broadband yes but in the long term how many would be happy to use a personal computer and their own broadband long term. Also have to think about security issues for data etc. TfL has had the opportunity to reduce services already but has reinstated services such as the X68! Also think some weekend night frequencies have been reintroduced! Think some routes could easily be reduced slightly or cut back in the evening until we return to the OLD normal sooner rather than later.
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 8, 2020 8:53:22 GMT
No one knows what will if and when Covid goes away.the " new normal " is that office workers will more and more work from home all they need is a computer and broadband and they can be anywhere in the world why struggle to get on a tube or bus ? Most stations are well below normal usage and buses are restricted to 30 pax. Of course most bus usage is by people who cant work from home and those have to be catered for but I think well find buses being cut eg from 6bph to maybe 4bph. This will be the new reality specially as TFL is losing money at an alarming rate die to less tube usage and delays to Crossrail .Discuss On the other hand, the Government is deliberately paying TfL, and other bus and rail operators, to operate services at reduced capacity to allow for social distancing. The real issues are for how long the government is prepared to do this, and whether they come good on their promise that public transport will be at the forefront of a "Green Recovery" or allow it to wither on the vine. Levels of car use are already reported to be in the region of 85-90% of pre-covid 19 levels in many areas.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 8, 2020 9:13:35 GMT
No one knows what will if and when Covid goes away.the " new normal " is that office workers will more and more work from home all they need is a computer and broadband and they can be anywhere in the world why struggle to get on a tube or bus ? Most stations are well below normal usage and buses are restricted to 30 pax. Of course most bus usage is by people who cant work from home and those have to be catered for but I think well find buses being cut eg from 6bph to maybe 4bph. This will be the new reality specially as TFL is losing money at an alarming rate die to less tube usage and delays to Crossrail .Discuss All that is needed is a computer and broadband yes but in the long term how many would be happy to use a personal computer and their own broadband long term. Also have to think about security issues for data etc. TfL has had the opportunity to reduce services already but has reinstated services such as the X68! Also think some weekend night frequencies have been reintroduced! Think some routes could easily be reduced slightly or cut back in the evening until we return to the OLD normal sooner rather than later. I would be very surprised if any company allows a non-business issued computer to connect to their networks ... huge security risk ... and lots of awkward questions to be answered when it goes horribly wrong.
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