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Post by LJ17THF on Jan 15, 2021 19:12:39 GMT
Hopefully, they leave it well alone and why the 109 included? The 109 is South London's 2nd busiest route behind the 36. As much as I'd love to see it, the days of the 109 returning to central London are gone. Unless maybe an extension to Waterloo and the 59 withdrawn. I would very much doubt it, the Waterloo area always has lots of traffic and extending the route so far would make it unreliable, the most I'd say it could go north would be Kennington Church or Oval, maybe Vauxhall at a stretch, but I don't think extending it is needed.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 15, 2021 19:13:40 GMT
Hopefully, they leave it well alone and why the 109 included? The 109 is South London's 2nd busiest route behind the 36. I would expect to see the Streatham-Brixton corridor potentially looked at. There will be questions (rightly) asked about whether 50/60 bph can still be warranted in the post-Covid era. But I personally can't seeing anything too radical happening along there anywhere. The most I could see is a few frequency reductions on the 59 and 133. I disagree strongly - the Brixton to Streatham corridor is one of the busiest in London and rightfully deserves to have it's frequencies. We have already seen a number of frequency reductions & other cuts along the corridor such as frequency reductions on the 59, 118 & 159 and a frequency & cutback on the 45. The contempt for Inner London must stop - we've had next to nothing over the last few years bar an extension to the 415 and a frequency increase to the 432 which only happened because it runs into an Outer London borough hence it's inclusion with other Croydon increases so really that doesn't count yet the 466 is at an absurd every 8 minutes when it should of been left on it's old frequency - meanwhile poor old 37 which has been requiring help for years is still on every 10 minutes.
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Post by greenboy on Jan 15, 2021 19:51:48 GMT
Hopefully, they leave it well alone and why the 109 included? The 109 is South London's 2nd busiest route behind the 36. As much as I'd love to see it, the days of the 109 returning to central London are gone. Unless maybe an extension to Waterloo and the 59 withdrawn. I think the 59 should be safe, often seems to be the busiest route around Waterloo. I wouldn't be surprised if the 188 was cut back to Elephant & Castle.
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Post by TB123 on Jan 15, 2021 19:52:49 GMT
As much as I'd love to see it, the days of the 109 returning to central London are gone. Unless maybe an extension to Waterloo and the 59 withdrawn. I think the 59 should be safe, often seems to be the busiest route around Waterloo. I wouldn't be surprised if the 188 was cut back to Elephant & Castle. I see logic in cutting back the 188 to Elephant. But it would only really work if implemented in tandem with the other changes to bus services in that area that have been proposed. I know there was talk of the 53 being cut back to Elephant too. Another one I see logic in though I have concern about cutting off links to St Thomas's.
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Post by TB123 on Jan 15, 2021 19:54:33 GMT
Yes as we know tfl already identified the Holborn corridor as having over 100 bph when they cut the 171 back to Elephant. Iv never lost the thought that another Euston to Waterloo route could go. 47 and 188 I could see a change around the Surrey Quays area involving the 1, 381 and 199 aswell. Sad times really at the moment but I think we just know the cost of the pandemic has been huge to transport. There is a range of proposals that have been pitched for bus services in the Surrey Quays area however implementation of these proposals has been delayed as new housing in the area has come on stream a little slower than expected.
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Post by greg on Jan 15, 2021 19:59:30 GMT
Seems like the 68 and 188 will be victims in this and possibly the 86 too
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 15, 2021 20:00:49 GMT
Yes as we know tfl already identified the Holborn corridor as having over 100 bph when they cut the 171 back to Elephant. Iv never lost the thought that another Euston to Waterloo route could go. 47 and 188 I could see a change around the Surrey Quays area involving the 1, 381 and 199 aswell. Sad times really at the moment but I think we just know the cost of the pandemic has been huge to transport. There is a range of proposals that have been pitched for bus services in the Surrey Quays area however implementation of these proposals has been delayed as new housing in the area has come on stream a little slower than expected. Was thinking tfl would be mroe like to make cuts to routes in the area rather the recommendations of the paper back in 2015. I agree I could see the 188 being cut back to Elephant if stand space can be found. As for the Shoreditch to LB section which basically got an increase when the 388 got extending to LB in place of the 48 and extra buses on the 35. It's likely tfl will return to looking at the section again.
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Post by TB123 on Jan 15, 2021 20:01:36 GMT
Seems like the 68 and 188 will be victims in this and possibly the 86 too Can't see the 86 being touched but I do see the 188 potentially cut back to Elephant but only in tandem with other changes in the area. Can't see what they could do with the 68 either
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Post by TB123 on Jan 15, 2021 20:03:21 GMT
There is a range of proposals that have been pitched for bus services in the Surrey Quays area however implementation of these proposals has been delayed as new housing in the area has come on stream a little slower than expected. Was thinking tfl would be mroe like to make cuts to routes in the area rather the recommendations of the paper back in 2015. I agree I could see the 188 being cut back to Elephant if stand space can be found. As for the Shoreditch to LB section which basically got an increase when the 388 got extending to LB in place of the 48 and extra buses on the 35. It's likely tfl will return to looking at the section again. Honestly it depends on the amount of S106 funding made available from new homes and offices in the area. That would change the picture of what TfL could put forward for buses in the area. But that network paper in 2017 will be a guide for TfL to follow in the area, though Covid may prompt some tweaks. It was a good plan generally and was an economical way of enhancing provision compared to just frequency increases.
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Post by greg on Jan 15, 2021 20:03:36 GMT
Seems like the 68 and 188 will be victims in this and possibly the 86 too Can't see the 86 being touched but I do see the 188 potentially cut back to Elephant but only in tandem with other changes in the area. Can't see what they could do with the 68 either In terms of frequency for the 68 and 86. The 168 paralleing between Elephant and Euston and the 59 up to Waterloo makes me think it is slightly overbussed and the 188 definitely does not need to be there either. Regarding the 86 possibly a very small frequency change in certain hours as the Elizabeth Line follows between Stratford and Romford and same going for the N25
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 20:08:20 GMT
Seems like the 68 and 188 will be victims in this and possibly the 86 too Sorry but why on earth would the 86 be cut? Funny the Romford Road corridor has come up again second day in a row. This is an extremely busy route with a large section from Romford to Ilford where it has to manage alone.
I'm almost convinced people pick random numbers to target
Just to add east London has suffered a lot in recent years with cuts and we seem a easy target. It should be remembered how deprived some parts are and how many low paid key workers live here that have no choice but to use buses to commute.
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Post by TB123 on Jan 15, 2021 20:09:44 GMT
Can't see the 86 being touched but I do see the 188 potentially cut back to Elephant but only in tandem with other changes in the area. Can't see what they could do with the 68 either In terms of frequency for the 68 and 86. The 168 paralleing between Elephant and Euston and the 59 up to Waterloo makes me think it is slightly overbussed and the 188 definitely does not need to be there either. Regarding the 86 possibly a very small frequency change in certain hours as the Elizabeth Line follows between Stratford and Romford and same going for the N25 I can see a scenario where the 59 and 188 are removed, definitely. Not so sure about the 168 though. Potentially cut back to Elephant? This is assuming there is stand space. Don't think the 86 will be cut back personally.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 20:09:55 GMT
Can't see the 86 being touched but I do see the 188 potentially cut back to Elephant but only in tandem with other changes in the area. Can't see what they could do with the 68 either In terms of frequency for the 68 and 86. The 168 paralleing between Elephant and Euston and the 59 up to Waterloo makes me think it is slightly overbussed and the 188 definitely does not need to be there either. Regarding the 86 possibly a very small frequency change in certain hours as the Elizabeth Line follows between Stratford and Romford and same going for the N25 But as I just posted not everyone can afford train fares and needs to use buses. Honestly go take a look at the 86 around the Ilford area once Lockdown is over.
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Post by busoccultation on Jan 15, 2021 20:21:41 GMT
Can't see the 86 being touched but I do see the 188 potentially cut back to Elephant but only in tandem with other changes in the area. Can't see what they could do with the 68 either In terms of frequency for the 68 and 86. The 168 paralleing between Elephant and Euston and the 59 up to Waterloo makes me think it is slightly overbussed and the 188 definitely does not need to be there either. Regarding the 86 possibly a very small frequency change in certain hours as the Elizabeth Line follows between Stratford and Romford and same going for the N25 You do realise that the 86 east of Ilford is mostly on its own all the way to Romford and regardless of the Crossrail it will still have local usage along that section plus it won't make any difference its not totally a new railway along that part of the Crossrail/TfL Rail. If the Romford Road corridor is overbused which by the way isn't then TfL would have done more drastic changes to the 25 already.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 15, 2021 20:21:46 GMT
Cant see the 86 touched. As for the 68 could be cut to Herne Hill as was planned in 1994.
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