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Post by busaholic on Apr 10, 2020 22:16:20 GMT
TfL has revealed that it is beginning a formal trial of boarding passengers via the centre doors this week, as it continues to refine its coronavirus response. Several forum members have already reported seeing these measures in action over the last week or so, but TfL officially announced its plans in a press release published yesterday. As part of that announcement, TfL said: It added that this new trial "will assess how the change works in live operations and whether it causes any issues." The trial will begin in the coming days "on several Abellio routes that operate out of Walworth bus garage. This includes two routes that serve hospitals." You can read the full news release here on TfL's press site. Am I being thick? Do passengers still have to touch in though? You're not being thick at all! The small matter of paying for the journey is being skirted around. TfL not actually wanting to draw attention to the buses concerned being free at point of use!
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Post by abc on Apr 10, 2020 22:55:14 GMT
Am I being thick? Do passengers still have to touch in though? You're not being thick at all! The small matter of paying for the journey is being skirted around. TfL not actually wanting to draw attention to the buses concerned being free at point of use! Touching in is not only about paying. It is also about capturing usage of the service.
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Post by rambo on Apr 11, 2020 6:06:07 GMT
Am I being thick? Do passengers still have to touch in though? You're not being thick at all! The small matter of paying for the journey is being skirted around. TfL not actually wanting to draw attention to the buses concerned being free at point of use! I could understand if TFL said for passengers NOT to touch in, because what is the point of middle door boarding if passengers still have to touch in on the wayfarer next to the driver. What I cannot understand though is why trial it? What's TFL going to say at the end of the trial? Only xyz amount of drivers have died during the trial so we are going back to front door boarding? There has been loads of phone calls from drivers on LBC telling horror stories about hand sanitzer not being issued, and the buses not being cleaned properly. Plus drivers still packed into ferry vans. Have the bus companies taken on extra cleaners to do the deep cleans? Is anyone checking that it has been done properly? IME, the buses were not cleaned properly before covid19 anyway. The way TFL/mayor has handled this, is, imo, a disgrace, but not a surprise. My thoughts are with the drivers, and i'm glad I no longer drive buses.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 11, 2020 6:33:47 GMT
You're not being thick at all! The small matter of paying for the journey is being skirted around. TfL not actually wanting to draw attention to the buses concerned being free at point of use! I could understand if TFL said for passengers NOT to touch in, because what is the point of middle door boarding if passengers still have to touch in on the wayfarer next to the driver. What I cannot understand though is why trial it? What's TFL going to say at the end of the trial? Only xyz amount of drivers have died during the trial so we are going back to front door boarding? There has been loads of phone calls from drivers on LBC telling horror stories about hand sanitzer not being issued, and the buses not being cleaned properly. Plus drivers still packed into ferry vans. Have the bus companies taken on extra cleaners to do the deep cleans? Is anyone checking that it has been done properly? IME, the buses were not cleaned properly before covid19 anyway. The way TFL/mayor has handled this, is, imo, a disgrace, but not a surprise. My thoughts are with the drivers, and i'm glad I no longer drive buses. What is a trial going to show? It sounds like nothing more than a box ticking exercise. LT's would be ideal for centre door entry and rear door exit and on two door buses it shouldn't be a problem either with most routes being very quiet at the moment. Surely this should have been done already if that's what drivers want?
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 11, 2020 6:55:46 GMT
The issue about touching in has been "skirted round" as someone said, but the notices on the trial buses clearly say "no need to touch in". So there's your answer, TfL will presumably recover the lost revenue from Government money.
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Post by John tuthill on Apr 11, 2020 7:13:11 GMT
The issue about touching in has been "skirted round" as someone said, but the notices on the trial buses clearly say "no need to touch in". So there's your answer, TfL will presumably recover the lost revenue from Government money. In my local shop, one of the 'regulars' is a bus driver. No-I won't give his route or garage away, he said the drop in passengers was so low, "I'm taking out the card reader and installing a visitors book." Stoicism to the end.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 11, 2020 10:23:35 GMT
I could understand if TFL said for passengers NOT to touch in, because what is the point of middle door boarding if passengers still have to touch in on the wayfarer next to the driver. What I cannot understand though is why trial it? What's TFL going to say at the end of the trial? Only xyz amount of drivers have died during the trial so we are going back to front door boarding? There has been loads of phone calls from drivers on LBC telling horror stories about hand sanitzer not being issued, and the buses not being cleaned properly. Plus drivers still packed into ferry vans. Have the bus companies taken on extra cleaners to do the deep cleans? Is anyone checking that it has been done properly? IME, the buses were not cleaned properly before covid19 anyway. The way TFL/mayor has handled this, is, imo, a disgrace, but not a surprise. My thoughts are with the drivers, and i'm glad I no longer drive buses. What is a trial going to show? It sounds like nothing more than a box ticking exercise. LT's would be ideal for centre door entry and rear door exit and on two door buses it shouldn't be a problem either with most routes being very quiet at the moment. Surely this should have been done already if that's what drivers want? Routes may have low usage but it doesn’t stop passengers coming into contact with each other and potentially spreading boarding through one door - why this trial is personally a waste of time is because drivers are protected by the screen. Many drivers have expressed concerns at cleaning practices on the buses themselves and at the garages which no rear door boarding trial will solve - they’ve also expressed concern at having no PPE and should really be getting some along with other key workers.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 11, 2020 10:29:26 GMT
What is a trial going to show? It sounds like nothing more than a box ticking exercise. LT's would be ideal for centre door entry and rear door exit and on two door buses it shouldn't be a problem either with most routes being very quiet at the moment. Surely this should have been done already if that's what drivers want? Routes may have low usage but it doesn’t stop passengers coming into contact with each other and potentially spreading boarding through one door - why this trial is personally a waste of time is because drivers are protected by the screen. Many drivers have expressed concerns at cleaning practices on the buses themselves and at the garages which no rear door boarding trial will solve - they’ve also expressed concern at having no PPE and should really be getting some along with other key workers. Passengers can generally avoid each other but if drivers are happier with a sterile area at the front of the bus I don't see what the problem is with providing that on 2 or 3 doored buses.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 11, 2020 14:51:47 GMT
Routes may have low usage but it doesn’t stop passengers coming into contact with each other and potentially spreading boarding through one door - why this trial is personally a waste of time is because drivers are protected by the screen. Many drivers have expressed concerns at cleaning practices on the buses themselves and at the garages which no rear door boarding trial will solve - they’ve also expressed concern at having no PPE and should really be getting some along with other key workers. Passengers can generally avoid each other but if drivers are happier with a sterile area at the front of the bus I don't see what the problem is with providing that on 2 or 3 doored buses. It's quite clear what the problem is - by doing this, we are bringing in a method that not only puts passengers at risk but is in effect labelling them as the cause when plenty of different people have said that the problem of drivers being infected could easily be down to cleaning practices at garages not being followed or enforced. Blocking the entrance door is highly unlikely going to have any effect when drivers are routinely pointing out about cleanliness issues.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 11, 2020 15:04:27 GMT
Passengers can generally avoid each other but if drivers are happier with a sterile area at the front of the bus I don't see what the problem is with providing that on 2 or 3 doored buses. It's quite clear what the problem is - by doing this, we are bringing in a method that not only puts passengers at risk but is in effect labelling them as the cause when plenty of different people have said that the problem of drivers being infected could easily be down to cleaning practices at garages not being followed or enforced. Blocking the entrance door is highly unlikely going to have any effect when drivers are routinely pointing out about cleanliness issues. Drivers want the front door taken out of use. I don't see what the point is of going over and over the same thing, you seem to disagree for the sake of it.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 11, 2020 15:17:25 GMT
It's quite clear what the problem is - by doing this, we are bringing in a method that not only puts passengers at risk but is in effect labelling them as the cause when plenty of different people have said that the problem of drivers being infected could easily be down to cleaning practices at garages not being followed or enforced. Blocking the entrance door is highly unlikely going to have any effect when drivers are routinely pointing out about cleanliness issues. Drivers want the front door taken out of use. I don't see what the point is of going over and over the same thing, you seem to disagree for the sake of it. I disagree with it because I don't believe it is correct - rather than trying to provoke an argument or assume what I'm doing, use the report button if you have an issue.
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 11, 2020 15:23:23 GMT
Drivers want the front door taken out of use. I don't see what the point is of going over and over the same thing, you seem to disagree for the sake of it. I disagree with it because I don't believe it is correct - rather than trying to provoke an argument or assume what I'm doing, use the report button if you have an issue. To me the message being relaid by this move is that buses are not currently safe to use. If they are saying buses are not safe to use, they should be taken off the road.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 11, 2020 15:25:02 GMT
Drivers want the front door taken out of use. I don't see what the point is of going over and over the same thing, you seem to disagree for the sake of it. I disagree with it because I don't believe it is correct - rather than trying to provoke an argument or assume what I'm doing, use the report button if you have an issue. It's clearly you trying to provoke an argument and somebody else on here accused you of that recently. Anyway as nobody else seems interested in this subject I'll leave it at that.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 11, 2020 15:29:18 GMT
I disagree with it because I don't believe it is correct - rather than trying to provoke an argument or assume what I'm doing, use the report button if you have an issue. To me the message being relaid by this move is that buses are not currently safe to use. If they are saying buses are not safe to use, they should be taken off the road. That's a good point and that could suggest that the cleaning isn't being done properly as drivers have already said.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 11, 2020 15:34:20 GMT
I disagree with it because I don't believe it is correct - rather than trying to provoke an argument or assume what I'm doing, use the report button if you have an issue. To me the message being relaid by this move is that buses are not currently safe to use. If they are saying buses are not safe to use, they should be taken off the road. The mayor said in an interview when asked if he would be happy for his father to still be driving buses that he wasn't happy for anybody to be driving them at the present time. Cleaning the buses thoroughly is a matter for the operators and if it isn't being done properly TfL need to take action.
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