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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Aug 5, 2023 15:20:16 GMT
They can, but did alarm bells not ring when they were starting a new number block 35**, which would severely restricted further growth of the 34** block ... I always had a slight element of doubt in my mind about those orders. Additionally would not have expected to see something in the trade press about the first orders for the new shorter BYD? I'm have not seen any. Additionally would the TfL 10.3m BYD be compliant with TfL DD capacity specifications? No idea, but was intrigued to see what lower deck arrangement they came up with. I think there may be no other choice eventually for certain cases. Some routes like the 240 and 291 can't even take 10.4m B9TLs, so the 10.3m BYD might be the only suitable EV. There is the 9.8m Yutong DD, but I don't think it's in TfL spec yet so 10.3m BYD seems the only option for now
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 5, 2023 17:04:22 GMT
They can, but did alarm bells not ring when they were starting a new number block 35**, which would severely restricted further growth of the 34** block ... I always had a slight element of doubt in my mind about those orders. Additionally would not have expected to see something in the trade press about the first orders for the new shorter BYD? I'm have not seen any. Additionally would the TfL 10.3m BYD be compliant with TfL DD capacity specifications? No idea, but was intrigued to see what lower deck arrangement they came up with. No, certainly not. The ADL brochure says capacity up to 87, implying the 10.8m version reaches 87 but the 10.3m does not. Therefore it would not be compliant. Having said that, the Wright Hydroliner also does not meet the capacity specifications, with a capacity of 86, but this may have been different when the WHDs were ordered in 2020. Interestingly the Optare Metrodecker has a capacity of 98 and the Wright Electroliner (340kWh - the 454kWh version has a capacity of only 86) has a capacity of 96. I hope Arriva orders one of these for the 279!
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Aug 5, 2023 20:44:22 GMT
They can, but did alarm bells not ring when they were starting a new number block 35**, which would severely restricted further growth of the 34** block ... I always had a slight element of doubt in my mind about those orders. Additionally would not have expected to see something in the trade press about the first orders for the new shorter BYD? I'm have not seen any. Additionally would the TfL 10.3m BYD be compliant with TfL DD capacity specifications? No idea, but was intrigued to see what lower deck arrangement they came up with. No, certainly not. The ADL brochure says capacity up to 87, implying the 10.8m version reaches 87 but the 10.3m does not. Therefore it would not be compliant. Having said that, the Wright Hydroliner also does not meet the capacity specifications, with a capacity of 86, but this may have been different when the WHDs were ordered in 2020. Interestingly the Optare Metrodecker has a capacity of 98 and the Wright Electroliner (340kWh - the 454kWh version has a capacity of only 86) has a capacity of 96. I hope Arriva orders one of these for the 279! I think Arriva will keep on this streak of Electroliners for electric double decker routes especially at garages that already have Electroliners (BN, E, TC, TH). I assume 279’s buses will be ES52-84?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 5, 2023 21:02:49 GMT
They can, but did alarm bells not ring when they were starting a new number block 35**, which would severely restricted further growth of the 34** block ... I always had a slight element of doubt in my mind about those orders. Additionally would not have expected to see something in the trade press about the first orders for the new shorter BYD? I'm have not seen any. Additionally would the TfL 10.3m BYD be compliant with TfL DD capacity specifications? No idea, but was intrigued to see what lower deck arrangement they came up with. No, certainly not. The ADL brochure says capacity up to 87, implying the 10.8m version reaches 87 but the 10.3m does not. Therefore it would not be compliant. Having said that, the Wright Hydroliner also does not meet the capacity specifications, with a capacity of 86, but this may have been different when the WHDs were ordered in 2020. Interestingly the Optare Metrodecker has a capacity of 98 and the Wright Electroliner (340kWh - the 454kWh version has a capacity of only 86) has a capacity of 96. I hope Arriva orders one of these for the 279! I do wonder how these get enforced. Capacities on paper are determined by weight and not by available standing space which is how it's probably determined in practice. LTs probably could go well over the standard limits if you appreciate cases in places like Ilford where the rear platform itself is rammed solid with people.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2023 7:51:54 GMT
No, certainly not. The ADL brochure says capacity up to 87, implying the 10.8m version reaches 87 but the 10.3m does not. Therefore it would not be compliant. Having said that, the Wright Hydroliner also does not meet the capacity specifications, with a capacity of 86, but this may have been different when the WHDs were ordered in 2020. Interestingly the Optare Metrodecker has a capacity of 98 and the Wright Electroliner (340kWh - the 454kWh version has a capacity of only 86) has a capacity of 96. I hope Arriva orders one of these for the 279! I think Arriva will keep on this streak of Electroliners for electric double decker routes especially at garages that already have Electroliners (BN, E, TC, TH). I assume 279’s buses will be ES52-84? Should be 51-83 29 PVR + 4 Spares
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Post by londonbuses184 on Aug 12, 2023 8:55:12 GMT
I think Arriva will keep on this streak of Electroliners for electric double decker routes especially at garages that already have Electroliners (BN, E, TC, TH). I assume 279’s buses will be ES52-84? Should be 51-83 29 PVR + 4 Spares Is it not 30 + 3 spares?
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 12, 2023 8:57:31 GMT
I think Arriva will keep on this streak of Electroliners for electric double decker routes especially at garages that already have Electroliners (BN, E, TC, TH). I assume 279’s buses will be ES52-84? Should be 51-83 29 PVR + 4 Spares ES051 should be allocated to 417?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2023 8:58:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2023 8:59:32 GMT
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 12, 2023 8:59:45 GMT
I thought it was increasing to 30 upon contract commencement?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2023 9:01:57 GMT
I thought it was increasing to 30 upon contract commencement? It could be, I'm not sure.
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Post by DE20106 on Aug 12, 2023 9:43:51 GMT
I thought it was increasing to 30 upon contract commencement? It could be, I'm not sure. Yeah it is, it was awarded with a PVR of 30
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Aug 13, 2023 23:01:49 GMT
I think Arriva will keep on this streak of Electroliners for electric double decker routes especially at garages that already have Electroliners (BN, E, TC, TH). I assume 279’s buses will be ES52-84? Should be 51-83 29 PVR + 4 Spares It’s PVR 30 + 3 spares
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Aug 13, 2023 23:02:17 GMT
so I assume 417 will only have one spare bus
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Post by abellion on Aug 14, 2023 5:23:41 GMT
so I assume 417 will only have one spare bus Perhaps the 133’s occasional EA workings can be done on the 417 if needed once the 133 leaves.
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