New Buses On Order

[ADH45258]

Oct 4, 2020 8:45:47 GMT wirewiper said:

Oct 3, 2020 23:30:19 GMT YY13VKP said:

No not yet, there's rumours going around that it could be using MMC's off the Red Arrow routes but that remains to be seen with the tender results for the 507/521 just around the corner. In addition I don't believe any infrastructure has been installed at MB as of yet. 

Londonbusroutes.net has a tentative date of January 2022 for the new electrics. It could be that Go-Ahead is anticipating the development of a longer-range electric vehicle by then and may even possibly be involved in its development. 

I can't see spare electrics from the 507/521 going on to the 358. TfL will want to see how loadings recover in the long term before committing some of the buses elsewhere.  

The 507/521 are up for tender soon, so perhaps these will be awarded with a reduced PVR. If so, Go Ahead would be aware of this in order to place a bid for the 507/521, so could then plan to use those released for the 358.

Though a Go Ahead retain would be most likely for the 507 and 521, I wouldn't rule out a gain by Abellio. WL already has charging infrastructure at WL, and will have space available between QB/WL, both routes could probably run from either. Or we could even see the two routes being awarded to different operators - perhaps the 521 retained and the 507 to QB? Even if neither the 507/521 are cut, if one or both are lost this could also provide SEes to the 358 - so I expect Go Ahead are awaiting this tender result, and then may order new if needed.

[vjaska]

Oct 4, 2020 11:36:24 GMT ADH45258 said:

Oct 4, 2020 8:45:47 GMT wirewiper said:

Londonbusroutes.net has a tentative date of January 2022 for the new electrics. It could be that Go-Ahead is anticipating the development of a longer-range electric vehicle by then and may even possibly be involved in its development. 

I can't see spare electrics from the 507/521 going on to the 358. TfL will want to see how loadings recover in the long term before committing some of the buses elsewhere.  

The 507/521 are up for tender soon, so perhaps these will be awarded with a reduced PVR. If so, Go Ahead would be aware of this in order to place a bid for the 507/521, so could then plan to use those released for the 358.

Though a Go Ahead retain would be most likely for the 507 and 521, I wouldn't rule out a gain by Abellio. WL already has charging infrastructure at WL, and will have space available between QB/WL, both routes could probably run from either. Or we could even see the two routes being awarded to different operators - perhaps the 521 retained and the 507 to QB? Even if neither the 507/521 are cut, if one or both are lost this could also provide SEes to the 358 - so I expect Go Ahead are awaiting this tender result, and then may order new if needed.

I'd suggest having a look at some previous posts before making a reply as it's already been mentioned regarding the 358 and electric range issues so why would existing electrics switch over considering they possibly have a lower range. Also, it's been stressed that PVR's won't be reduced until proper reviews are conducted so again, a reduced PVR at this stage would be odd

[MetrolineGA1511]

Oct 4, 2020 11:36:24 GMT ADH45258 said:

Oct 4, 2020 8:45:47 GMT wirewiper said:

Londonbusroutes.net has a tentative date of January 2022 for the new electrics. It could be that Go-Ahead is anticipating the development of a longer-range electric vehicle by then and may even possibly be involved in its development. 

I can't see spare electrics from the 507/521 going on to the 358. TfL will want to see how loadings recover in the long term before committing some of the buses elsewhere.  

The 507/521 are up for tender soon, so perhaps these will be awarded with a reduced PVR. If so, Go Ahead would be aware of this in order to place a bid for the 507/521, so could then plan to use those released for the 358.

Though a Go Ahead retain would be most likely for the 507 and 521, I wouldn't rule out a gain by Abellio. WL already has charging infrastructure at WL, and will have space available between QB/WL, both routes could probably run from either. Or we could even see the two routes being awarded to different operators - perhaps the 521 retained and the 507 to QB? Even if neither the 507/521 are cut, if one or both are lost this could also provide SEes to the 358 - so I expect Go Ahead are awaiting this tender result, and then may order new if needed.

Abellio could indeed win route 507 like you suggest.  I could picture route 521 having a dark horse winner, namely Stagecoach at BW!  Route 425 would probably then move to WH.  Stagecoach have been electrifying other East London garages WH, BK & RM for just 1 route so far and could want to do likewise at BW.

[LC67ADU]

List updated to reflect the huge amount of electric orders for RATP

[gazza76]

I tried to work it out thinks it nearly 50 electric buses for London sovereign please correct if I am wrong

[SILENCED]

Nov 3, 2020 16:26:57 GMT gazza76 said:

I tried to work it out thinks it nearly 50 electric buses for London sovereign please correct if I am wrong

Should be more than that, including spares, I calculate they will receive 38 double decks, and 22 single decks ... all completely back of a cigarette packet calculations. 

[Green Kitten]

The PB1 is getting a new bus?

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Nov 22, 2020 20:42:47 GMT Green Kitten said:

The PB1 is getting a new bus?

Yes it is, should be coded OEM2728

[ilovelondonbuses]

Updated 23/11/2020

Following today's tender result, the Abellio and Go-Ahead sections have been updated to reflect the new buses due to be on order for their routes. I see also that LC67ADU has updated the other relevant operator sections for the rest of the results revealed today.

[cc2005]

Oct 4, 2020 15:44:52 GMT MetrolineGA1511 said:

Oct 4, 2020 11:36:24 GMT ADH45258 said:

The 507/521 are up for tender soon, so perhaps these will be awarded with a reduced PVR. If so, Go Ahead would be aware of this in order to place a bid for the 507/521, so could then plan to use those released for the 358.

Though a Go Ahead retain would be most likely for the 507 and 521, I wouldn't rule out a gain by Abellio. WL already has charging infrastructure at WL, and will have space available between QB/WL, both routes could probably run from either. Or we could even see the two routes being awarded to different operators - perhaps the 521 retained and the 507 to QB? Even if neither the 507/521 are cut, if one or both are lost this could also provide SEes to the 358 - so I expect Go Ahead are awaiting this tender result, and then may order new if needed.

Abellio could indeed win route 507 like you suggest.  I could picture route 521 having a dark horse winner, namely Stagecoach at BW!  Route 425 would probably then move to WH.  Stagecoach have been electrifying other East London garages WH, BK & RM for just 1 route so far and could want to do likewise at BW.

If anyone other than Go Ahead won the 507/521, would they sell RA to the new operator? Interesting decisions to be made as no other routes run from RA and it’s the natural garage for the Red Arrow routes as they all start from Waterloo.

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Nov 29, 2020 13:59:31 GMT cc2005 said:

Oct 4, 2020 15:44:52 GMT MetrolineGA1511 said:

Abellio could indeed win route 507 like you suggest.  I could picture route 521 having a dark horse winner, namely Stagecoach at BW!  Route 425 would probably then move to WH.  Stagecoach have been electrifying other East London garages WH, BK & RM for just 1 route so far and could want to do likewise at BW.

If anyone other than Go Ahead won the 507/521, would they sell RA to the new operator? Interesting decisions to be made as no other routes run from RA and it’s the natural garage for the Red Arrow routes as they all start from Waterloo.

There are other routes that could run from Waterloo in the event this happened, albeit with a slight rejig of the site. The 1 and 188 spring to mind.

I'd think it unlikely they would opt to sell the site as it is, in my opinion, one of the best located sites in London.

[Eastlondoner62]

Nov 29, 2020 13:59:31 GMT cc2005 said:

Oct 4, 2020 15:44:52 GMT MetrolineGA1511 said:

Abellio could indeed win route 507 like you suggest.  I could picture route 521 having a dark horse winner, namely Stagecoach at BW!  Route 425 would probably then move to WH.  Stagecoach have been electrifying other East London garages WH, BK & RM for just 1 route so far and could want to do likewise at BW.

If anyone other than Go Ahead won the 507/521, would they sell RA to the new operator? Interesting decisions to be made as no other routes run from RA and it’s the natural garage for the Red Arrow routes as they all start from Waterloo.

I don't think they would sell RA, what I can see happening is permission sought for a Saturday operation to run from there and then on Sundays run the relevant routes out of other garages. Then as a result I imagine any route that comes up for pretender in the RA vicinity would get electrics. You could probably quite easily move the 360 and 100 to RA too to fill up some space. 

[vjaska]

Nov 29, 2020 14:06:33 GMT @mhv85 said:

Nov 29, 2020 13:59:31 GMT cc2005 said:

If anyone other than Go Ahead won the 507/521, would they sell RA to the new operator? Interesting decisions to be made as no other routes run from RA and it’s the natural garage for the Red Arrow routes as they all start from Waterloo.

There are other routes that could run from Waterloo in the event this happened, albeit with a slight rejig of the site. The 1 and 188 spring to mind.

I'd think it unlikely they would opt to sell the site as it is, in my opinion, one of the best located sites in London.

Indeed as the 11 ran from there until the 507 & 521 converted to Artics

[M1104]

Nov 29, 2020 13:59:31 GMT cc2005 said:

Oct 4, 2020 15:44:52 GMT MetrolineGA1511 said:

If anyone other than Go Ahead won the 507/521, would they sell RA to the new operator?

Or could they opt to lease it out for that matter?

[cl54]

Oct 4, 2020 15:44:52 GMT MetrolineGA1511 said:

Oct 4, 2020 11:36:24 GMT ADH45258 said:

The 507/521 are up for tender soon, so perhaps these will be awarded with a reduced PVR. If so, Go Ahead would be aware of this in order to place a bid for the 507/521, so could then plan to use those released for the 358.

Though a Go Ahead retain would be most likely for the 507 and 521, I wouldn't rule out a gain by Abellio. WL already has charging infrastructure at WL, and will have space available between QB/WL, both routes could probably run from either. Or we could even see the two routes being awarded to different operators - perhaps the 521 retained and the 507 to QB? Even if neither the 507/521 are cut, if one or both are lost this could also provide SEes to the 358 - so I expect Go Ahead are awaiting this tender result, and then may order new if needed.

Abellio could indeed win route 507 like you suggest.  I could picture route 521 having a dark horse winner, namely Stagecoach at BW!  Route 425 would probably then move to WH.  Stagecoach have been electrifying other East London garages WH, BK & RM for just 1 route so far and could want to do likewise at BW.

I would think if the 507/521 were to go to a new operator the vehicles and the premises would also change hands.