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Post by route53 on Mar 29, 2020 15:23:09 GMT
Considering we have a thread on the Croydon bus changes of 2000 due to the tram, I thought I’d create a thread on the 1998/99 changes of Bus routes in the Woolwich & Bexleyheath areas.
We know the eventual changes were for instances
The 272/X72 were merged into the 472 and extended to North Greenwich in 1999
We’re there any other proposed changes that never went ahead?
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 29, 2020 16:51:56 GMT
Not that I'm aware of thou i didn't live in the area so didn't have the local news to read about. Would love to know if some of the changes that went ahead were ammendments to what eventually happened.
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Post by route53 on Mar 29, 2020 18:40:51 GMT
Not that I'm aware of thou i didn't live in the area so didn't have the local news to read about. Would love to know if some of the changes that went ahead were ammendments to what eventually happened. Same. From what I recall, the 53 split was planned around this time and it would have been the 453 on the Plumstead to Elephant section and the 53 cut back to New Cross. I think another alternative planet was to have the 177 replace the 180 to run to Thamesmead East |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 29, 2020 18:47:08 GMT
The 53 plan probably would have met opposition from people in Blackheath and Charlton.
In reality the the planned 453 is now the 53 bar the short continuation to County Hall and the new 453 is almost New Cross to Oxo with the short sections to Deptford and Marylebone.
I do recall hearing that the 188 survived being cut to Elephant as I guess it was planned to be replaced by the new 59 between Waterloo and Euston.
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Post by lonmark on Mar 29, 2020 18:50:14 GMT
B13 was now anti-clockwise around in New Eltham instead of Clockwise. Something to do with too much traffic light and give way as well in the clockwise.
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Post by redexpress on Mar 29, 2020 18:53:33 GMT
The 53 plan probably would have met opposition from people in Blackheath and Charlton. In reality the the planned 453 is now the 53 bar the short continuation to County Hall and the new 453 is almost New Cross to Oxo with the short sections to Deptford and Marylebone. I do recall hearing that the 188 survived being cut to Elephant as I guess it was planned to be replaced by the new 59 between Waterloo and Euston. Yes the 188 was reprieved because it was felt that Greenwich, as a touristy area, needed a direct bus link from Central London. Not sure how many tourists actually wanted to travel out to Greenwich through the delights of Elephant and Deptford but there you go! The 188 had to be cut back to Russell Square because the 59 took its stand at Euston. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 29, 2020 18:57:38 GMT
I'd love to see the number 1 back in touristy Greenwich thou i think it would struggle with more passengers boarding before Surrey Quays along Southwark Park Road as the route could be fairly full by then.
I think as part of the Conveys Whalf papers it once again talked about the 188 being cut to Elephant thou where it would stand would be hard.
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Post by route53 on Mar 29, 2020 22:20:46 GMT
The 53 plan probably would have met opposition from people in Blackheath and Charlton. In reality the the planned 453 is now the 53 bar the short continuation to County Hall and the new 453 is almost New Cross to Oxo with the short sections to Deptford and Marylebone. I do recall hearing that the 188 survived being cut to Elephant as I guess it was planned to be replaced by the new 59 between Waterloo and Euston. Yes TfL finally achieved pushing the 53 to the south of the river sadly however at least Plumstead, Woolwich, Charlton & Blackheath still has the long standing bus number in those areas, unlike Lewisham losing the 36 and Uxbridge losing the 207. I never knew about the 188 change, I was only aware of the plan to extent it to North Greenwich. I think another planned change was extending the 96 to North Greenwich but they ultimately went with the 422 being extended |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 29, 2020 22:49:37 GMT
I think of all the 2002-05 splits the 53 was the only one where the outer section kept the original number. 333/363/427/430/432 were all new routes for the snipped off outer end.
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 29, 2020 23:02:43 GMT
96 extending would have made it quite long as the 422 takes the slightly longer route and the Bluewater extension was happening at the same time. In contrast the 422 was only 37 mins long.
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Post by danorak on Mar 30, 2020 8:15:17 GMT
There was an intention to change the B11 so buses served both sides of the road in Lodge Hill instead of going round in a loop. It was even mentioned in the changes leaflet but required pavement works that never happened.
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Post by busaholic on Mar 30, 2020 12:42:40 GMT
I know the 132 extension from Eltham to North Greenwich which had been 'on the cards' for years took place finally in 2009, but was it a part of the 1998/9 original plans or added later?
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Post by route53 on Mar 30, 2020 13:18:58 GMT
I know the 132 extension from Eltham to North Greenwich which had been 'on the cards' for years took place finally in 2009, but was it a part of the 1998/9 original plans or added later? I think the 132 extension came about around 2006 I don’t recall any suggestions to change the route prior to that point, certainly not around 1998/1999 |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 30, 2020 13:19:36 GMT
Probably later. That came about after a proposed 228 route followed by an extension of the B16 to North Greenwich.
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Post by route53 on Mar 30, 2020 13:22:18 GMT
The 272/X72 being merged into the 472 was a great idea, I’m just sad we lost the 272 number.
Maybe what should have happened was the 272 was the one rerouted away from Abbey Wood and extended to North Greenwich while the 472 could have replaced the 272 to serve Abbey Wood.
Extending the 161 to North Greenwich will always be a bad idea for me.
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