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Post by route53 on Mar 30, 2020 13:23:49 GMT
Probably later. That came about after a proposed 228 route followed by an extension of the B16 to North Greenwich. The 228? I recall years ago there used to be a 228 in the Eltham area, a fairly certain it was the 286’s predecessor and it ran to Surrey Quays, what were the exact plans for this 228? |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 30, 2020 13:42:49 GMT
I know the 132 extension from Eltham to North Greenwich which had been 'on the cards' for years took place finally in 2009, but was it a part of the 1998/9 original plans or added later? I think the 132 extension came about around 2006 I don’t recall any suggestions to change the route prior to that point, certainly not around 1998/1999 Nope, was 2009 when the 132 was extended to North Greenwich - nothing noteworthy happened to the 132 in 2006 though 2007 saw the 132 demoted from VWL’s to DWL’s |
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Post by route53 on Mar 30, 2020 14:03:24 GMT
I think the 132 extension came about around 2006 I don’t recall any suggestions to change the route prior to that point, certainly not around 1998/1999 Nope, was 2009 when the 132 was extended to North Greenwich - nothing noteworthy happened to the 132 in 2006 though 2007 saw the 132 demoted from VWL’s to DWL’s I meant the idea to extend was around 2006/07, it was finally implemented in 2009 I know that |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 30, 2020 14:17:47 GMT
Londonbusroutes in 2003 states "228 new route Eltham Green to North Greenwich via westhorne Avenue, Horn Park, Lee, Blackheath, Goffers Road, South Street, Greenwich, East Greenwich, Horn Lane and North Greenwich" with a start date of May but no operator or vehicle type mentioned. First date entry was 07/09/02 and originally was going to start at Ferrier Estate.
My mistake this looks more like what became the 129 rather then the 132 extension to Eltham with some parts looking like the 335 now.
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Post by busaholic on Mar 30, 2020 16:24:53 GMT
Londonbusroutes in 2003 states "228 new route Eltham Green to North Greenwich via westhorne Avenue, Horn Park, Lee, Blackheath, Goffers Road, South Street, Greenwich, East Greenwich, Horn Lane and North Greenwich" with a start date of May but no operator or vehicle type mentioned. First date entry was 07/09/02 and originally was going to start at Ferrier Estate. My mistake this looks more like what became the 129 rather then the 132 extension to Eltham with some parts looking like the 335 now. I don't recollect that 228 proposal, but it's one of those that could have proved either surprisingly popular or a ghost bus. Bit of a jack-of-all-trades. The 132's extension was particularly interesting to me, because of its previous incarnation in 1959, where, as a result of trolleybus withdrawal, the route got extended from Bexleyheath to Woolwich (and Victoria Way, Woolwich Rd in peaks) via Erith, so it's now back, albeit at the other end of the route, to near where it got sixty years ago! |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 30, 2020 16:28:28 GMT
The 228 I could imagine being a slow burner and not popular right from the off. The 132 extension on the other hand was a hit from day one as many had been waiting for a faster link from Eltham to N Greenwich over the 161 route.
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Post by route53 on Mar 30, 2020 17:14:44 GMT
What I find odd about the 228 proposal is that it would have given Lee a slow journey to North Greenwich when all they had to do was extend the 202 which would be a Much quicker journey
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 30, 2020 17:36:15 GMT
Yeh the 228 was trying to do 2 things which have been achieved by the 129 and 335. Running via Greenwich would have defeated the point of the a link to North Greenwich from the Kidbrooke area.
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Post by beaver14uk on Mar 30, 2020 17:58:28 GMT
The pavement works did happen, you can see them. uote author=" danorak" source="/post/560415/thread" timestamp="1585556117"]There was an intention to change the B11 so buses served both sides of the road in Lodge Hill instead of going round in a loop. It was even mentioned in the changes leaflet but required pavement works that never happened.[/quote] |
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Post by beaver14uk on Mar 30, 2020 18:09:51 GMT
I think the 132 went double deck for a period to release DWLs to the 201 taken over for a period of time when I drove them. I think the 132 extension came about around 2006 I don’t recall any suggestions to change the route prior to that point, certainly not around 1998/1999 Nope, was 2009 when the 132 was extended to North Greenwich - nothing noteworthy happened to the 132 in 2006 though 2007 saw the 132 demoted from VWL’s to DWL’s |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 30, 2020 18:47:53 GMT
Yes it did and it was DD during the Olympics before reverting back to SD again. Both times I'm sure everyone was thrilled to loose the extra seats.
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Post by danorak on Mar 30, 2020 22:22:15 GMT
The pavement works did happen, you can see them. Ah, so something else must have put a stop to this one then after they'd carried them out. Wonder what it was. The right turn out of Lodge Hill at the Goldie Leigh end always looked like it might have been tricky. |
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Post by danorak on Mar 30, 2020 22:31:04 GMT
Londonbusroutes in 2003 states "228 new route Eltham Green to North Greenwich via westhorne Avenue, Horn Park, Lee, Blackheath, Goffers Road, South Street, Greenwich, East Greenwich, Horn Lane and North Greenwich" with a start date of May but no operator or vehicle type mentioned. First date entry was 07/09/02 and originally was going to start at Ferrier Estate. My mistake this looks more like what became the 129 rather then the 132 extension to Eltham with some parts looking like the 335 now. As I recall, TfL were keen on the 228 (and I liked their nod to the old route) but it turned out that it was going to cost more than they expected. I have a vague inkling that it may have got as far as being tendered. The 386 was extended to Blackheath Village as a compromise, then the 129 was born to cover most of the rest of it. |
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Post by danorak on Mar 30, 2020 22:39:19 GMT
The 272/X72 being merged into the 472 was a great idea, I’m just sad we lost the 272 number. Maybe what should have happened was the 272 was the one rerouted away from Abbey Wood and extended to North Greenwich while the 472 could have replaced the 272 to serve Abbey Wood. Extending the 161 to North Greenwich will always be a bad idea for me. The 272/472 change was interesting in that it undid one of the main Bexleybus changes of 10 years earlier - the loss of the 198 via Nathan Way and the focus on running Thamesmead services via Abbey Wood. It was a rather neat change in that it combined the peak service for Nathan Way with the faster service from Thamesmead that had become necessary on the X72. A shame in my view that the 301/472 changes undo this. |
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Post by route53 on Mar 31, 2020 14:25:24 GMT
I know this change occurred some years before but what was the reasoning behind rerouting the 177 to Peckham? Wouldn’t it have been better to have had the 53/177 work together between E&C & Woolwich via two routes
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