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Post by LK65EBO on Apr 22, 2020 14:31:56 GMT
I think that escalated a bit too quickly. Is there anything physically stopping the route from using double deckers? It is probably worth seeing how they cope on the route should they escape rather than skipping straight to bendies. The ridership of the route is very high for a single decker route, but is in the ball park of double decker routes that manage. Well the 235 can't use the deckers in Sunbury for some reason - forgot what reason it was. |
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Post by DE20106 on Apr 22, 2020 14:44:17 GMT
It seems to me a bit like the 366 thing, nothing immediately obvious but no one can give an answer, but with the simple answer being no. Knowing AH and how often the 190 runs with deckers I would have thought if the 235 was okay to run with they would have chucked a decker out on it by now. I guess we have to wait when reblinding for the 306 occurs and see if the 235 appears on the sets  The 235 has already been spotted on the sets of some VWs at the garage. That's what threw me off as to whether there is a restriction or not. Hmm. Perhaps they’ve just never got round to route testing it. If there is indeed maybe an unsuitable corner. If there are DDs ready to be used on the route with correct blinds etc that must tell me there’s definitely something stopping it. Otherwise like the 190 they would definitely have appeared by now. TP446 would almost definitely have known  |
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Post by LK65EBO on Apr 22, 2020 14:46:32 GMT
I think that escalated a bit too quickly. Is there anything physically stopping the route from using double deckers? It is probably worth seeing how they cope on the route should they escape rather than skipping straight to bendies. The ridership of the route is very high for a single decker route, but is in the ball park of double decker routes that manage. The reason the 235 can't use double deckers is because of the residents in Sunbury Village. I think they complained about the double deckers overlooking their homes and then an elderly man got hit by a double decker. This was enough to make double deckers an end in Sunbury. The 635 is allowed double deckers only because it goes a different way to the 235 at Sunbury. There was a diversion in Sunbury one day and the 635 had to use the 235 route out of Sunbury. Other than that no double decks have been at Sunbury Village since the elderly gentleman was hit. This is the same reason why the 216 isn't allowed single decks. The 290 I think is cleared for double decks as it doesn't go through Sunbury Village. I expect to see Enviro 400 MMC strays on the 290 when the 285 moves to TF. |
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Post by londonboy71 on Apr 22, 2020 15:09:42 GMT
I think that escalated a bit too quickly. Is there anything physically stopping the route from using double deckers? It is probably worth seeing how they cope on the route should they escape rather than skipping straight to bendies. The ridership of the route is very high for a single decker route, but is in the ball park of double decker routes that manage. The reason the 235 can't use double deckers is because of the residents in Sunbury Village. I think they complained about the double deckers overlooking their homes and then an elderly man got hit by a double decker. This was enough to make double deckers an end in Sunbury. The 635 is allowed double deckers only because it goes a different way to the 235 at Sunbury. There was a diversion in Sunbury one day and the 635 had to use the 235 route out of Sunbury. Other than that no double decks have been at Sunbury Village since the elderly gentleman was hit. This is the same reason why the 216 isn't allowed single decks. The 290 I think is cleared for double decks as it doesn't go through Sunbury Village. I expect to see Enviro 400 MMC strays on the 290 when the 285 moves to TF. What or where is TF? |
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Post by DE20106 on Apr 22, 2020 15:10:33 GMT
I think that escalated a bit too quickly. Is there anything physically stopping the route from using double deckers? It is probably worth seeing how they cope on the route should they escape rather than skipping straight to bendies. The ridership of the route is very high for a single decker route, but is in the ball park of double decker routes that manage. The reason the 235 can't use double deckers is because of the residents in Sunbury Village. I think they complained about the double deckers overlooking their homes and then an elderly man got hit by a double decker. This was enough to make double deckers an end in Sunbury. The 635 is allowed double deckers only because it goes a different way to the 235 at Sunbury. There was a diversion in Sunbury one day and the 635 had to use the 235 route out of Sunbury. Other than that no double decks have been at Sunbury Village since the elderly gentleman was hit. This is the same reason why the 216 isn't allowed single decks. The 290 I think is cleared for double decks as it doesn't go through Sunbury Village. I expect to see Enviro 400 MMC strays on the 290 when the 285 moves to TF.I think you’re being incredibly optimistic there. Firstly, the identical buses the 482 has don’t even stray there because of the mirrors, and there are multiple double deck routes at that garage. Secondly Abellio do not tend to stray out of their contract terms, if a route is contracted with SDs then that’s what they’ll put on it, which is fair enough. The only exception to this was the odd decker working on the 152. I think you’ll even be lucky to see one on the 267, let alone the 490 or even the 290. |
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Post by george on Apr 22, 2020 15:15:29 GMT
The reason the 235 can't use double deckers is because of the residents in Sunbury Village. I think they complained about the double deckers overlooking their homes and then an elderly man got hit by a double decker. This was enough to make double deckers an end in Sunbury. The 635 is allowed double deckers only because it goes a different way to the 235 at Sunbury. There was a diversion in Sunbury one day and the 635 had to use the 235 route out of Sunbury. Other than that no double decks have been at Sunbury Village since the elderly gentleman was hit. This is the same reason why the 216 isn't allowed single decks. The 290 I think is cleared for double decks as it doesn't go through Sunbury Village. I expect to see Enviro 400 MMC strays on the 290 when the 285 moves to TF. What or where is TF? TF is a Abellio garage that is situated in Fulwell South West London. |
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Post by COBO on Apr 22, 2020 15:24:17 GMT
The 235 has already been spotted on the sets of some VWs at the garage. That's what threw me off as to whether there is a restriction or not. Hmm. Perhaps they’ve just never got round to route testing it. If there is indeed maybe an unsuitable corner. If there are DDs ready to be used on the route with correct blinds etc that must tell me there’s definitely something stopping it. Otherwise like the 190 they would definitely have appeared by now. TP446 would almost definitely have known might know. Foxhat are double deckers allowed on the 235? |
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Post by greenboy on Apr 22, 2020 15:32:19 GMT
Hmm. Perhaps they’ve just never got round to route testing it. If there is indeed maybe an unsuitable corner. If there are DDs ready to be used on the route with correct blinds etc that must tell me there’s definitely something stopping it. Otherwise like the 190 they would definitely have appeared by now. TP446 would almost definitely have known might know. Foxhat are double deckers allowed on the 235? Double deckers used to go to Sunbury Village on the 237, I don't know if there is any problem with double deckers at Brentford Quarter? |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Apr 22, 2020 15:48:12 GMT
The TG1 was long expected to be a bendy bus route - before eventually being awarded with hybrid double decks which arrived as diesel ones! I also remember the 174 being touted for bendy operation as the Thames gateway transit scheme was expected to encompass the route - but that never got off the ground. That's also the reason a lot of the current ELT stops seem to be abnormally long. There was also a plan to turn the roundabout by Barking Station into a bus stand for the bendies, as at the time the route wasn't planned to head down Ilford Lane to Ilford. From what I can remember, the little one-way bit by Lidl in Barking was going to become a T-junction, with buses going straight across it to head towards Vicarage Field shopping centre. (Sorry, this may have already been replied to but just catching up with the thread now) |
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Post by londonbuses2018 on Apr 22, 2020 17:49:19 GMT
I would love to see an electric bendi in London safety would top due to cyclists and motorbikes. Most ideal Route for that would either be the 36 or 73
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 22, 2020 17:55:54 GMT
I would love to see an electric bendi in London safety would top due to cyclists and motorbikes. Most ideal Route for that would either be the 36 or 73 The 36 would be a non starter, the whole reason the route is now found in its current form is because the 436 had to be created to allow bendy buses to run on the corridor. |
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Post by george on Apr 22, 2020 18:02:49 GMT
I would love to see an electric bendi in London safety would top due to cyclists and motorbikes. Most ideal Route for that would either be the 36 or 73 My personal opinion but I don't think anything like the bendy bus should be brought back onto London streets again. |
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Post by redexpress on Apr 22, 2020 20:26:42 GMT
I think that escalated a bit too quickly. Is there anything physically stopping the route from using double deckers? It is probably worth seeing how they cope on the route should they escape rather than skipping straight to bendies. The ridership of the route is very high for a single decker route, but is in the ball park of double decker routes that manage. The reason the 235 can't use double deckers is because of the residents in Sunbury Village. I think they complained about the double deckers overlooking their homes and then an elderly man got hit by a double decker. This was enough to make double deckers an end in Sunbury. The 635 is allowed double deckers only because it goes a different way to the 235 at Sunbury. There was a diversion in Sunbury one day and the 635 had to use the 235 route out of Sunbury. Other than that no double decks have been at Sunbury Village since the elderly gentleman was hit. This is the same reason why the 216 isn't allowed single decks. The 290 I think is cleared for double decks as it doesn't go through Sunbury Village. I expect to see Enviro 400 MMC strays on the 290 when the 285 moves to TF. I've heard this quoted as the reason for DDs not appearing on the 216 any more, but not the 235. In any case I thought it was more an unofficial "ban" rather than a formal one.
The 235 itself used to be double-deck, and the only route change since then has been at the Brentford end. Of course trees may have grown a bit since the route last saw DDs but surely that can be solved with a bit of tree pruning.
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Post by paulo on Apr 22, 2020 21:01:28 GMT
The reason the 235 can't use double deckers is because of the residents in Sunbury Village. I think they complained about the double deckers overlooking their homes and then an elderly man got hit by a double decker. This was enough to make double deckers an end in Sunbury. The 635 is allowed double deckers only because it goes a different way to the 235 at Sunbury. There was a diversion in Sunbury one day and the 635 had to use the 235 route out of Sunbury. Other than that no double decks have been at Sunbury Village since the elderly gentleman was hit. This is the same reason why the 216 isn't allowed single decks. The 290 I think is cleared for double decks as it doesn't go through Sunbury Village. I expect to see Enviro 400 MMC strays on the 290 when the 285 moves to TF. I've heard this quoted as the reason for DDs not appearing on the 216 any more, but not the 235. In any case I thought it was more an unofficial "ban" rather than a formal one. The 235 itself used to be double-deck, and the only route change since then has been at the Brentford end. Of course trees may have grown a bit since the route last saw DDs but surely that can be solved with a bit of tree pruning.
The part of lower Sunbury where the residents complained is the narrow section of the river road so not on the 235 route. I think it’s dubious as to whether this is a valid reason though. |
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Post by greenboy on Apr 22, 2020 21:01:46 GMT
I would love to see an electric bendi in London safety would top due to cyclists and motorbikes. Most ideal Route for that would either be the 36 or 73 My personal opinion but I don't think anything like the bendy bus should be brought back onto London streets again. Certainly not in Central London but I think there may some scope for suburban routes. |
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