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Post by M1104 on Apr 26, 2020 8:10:11 GMT
There were plans to extend the 3 beyond Crystal Palace down the hill to Anerley Station and on the other end via Charing Cross Road to Tottenham Court Road. I think route 3 was going to be extended to Russell Square via TCR and former route 10. Yes you're correct it is indeed Russell Square. I was likely thinking of the 176 terminus at the time.
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Post by redexpress on Apr 26, 2020 8:32:11 GMT
396 would have been a better number if it wasn't already in use, on account of the old 196 association with Kings Cross to Tufnell Park routeing via York Way The King's Cross - Tufnell Park section had been covered by route 239 until 1982. I believe the number 239 was vacant in 2003. Pity it wasn't reused then. In addition to the number 390 distinction I just mentioned, it meant that this section of route was opo in 1971 but crew in 2003! 239 was not vacant back then. It was the number for the Victoria - Clapham Junction route that was swallowed up by the 170 in 2008.
I always assumed that the 390 number was a nod to the 239. That said, I reckon 310 would have been used if the Herts 310 had already been cut back to Waltham Cross, but it was still running through to Enfield at the time.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 26, 2020 12:56:59 GMT
The King's Cross - Tufnell Park section had been covered by route 239 until 1982. I believe the number 239 was vacant in 2003. Pity it wasn't reused then. In addition to the number 390 distinction I just mentioned, it meant that this section of route was opo in 1971 but crew in 2003! 239 was not vacant back then. It was the number for the Victoria - Clapham Junction route that was swallowed up by the 170 in 2008.
I always assumed that the 390 number was a nod to the 239. That said, I reckon 310 would have been used if the Herts 310 had already been cut back to Waltham Cross, but it was still running through to Enfield at the time.
Thank you for reminding me. I do now remember the 39/239 split from 1990 but had no idea of the date when this route 239 was replaced by the 170 extension. Ironically I boarded route 170 at Victoria as my first bus ride on my most recent London trip. It is incidentally interesting to reflect on how routes 44 & 170 used to serve Vauxhall, en route to London Bridge & Aldwych respectively, but have both subsequently met up again at Victoria.
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Post by foxhat on Apr 26, 2020 15:09:47 GMT
What’s the current situation with the 207/607? Probably funding problems (might be wrong) Wouldn't be funding as the changes would see a bus saving on each route.
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Post by foxhat on Apr 26, 2020 15:11:50 GMT
It changed so that the 73 could be shortened and to maintain a routes from the full length of Oxford Street to Victoria with the withdrawal of the 500 route. End of the street had the 2 group and Oxford Circus had the 25 but the full length wasn't linked to Victoria. I still don't really know why the 73 and 390 swapped thou. Whilst there was a slight saving switching the routes to Victoria in terms of freq, the Archway section gained an increase it didn't really need. The 390 is now very busy north of King's Cross. The Torriano Ave to Archway section might be quieter but the rest needed the frequency increase.
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Post by foxhat on Apr 26, 2020 15:13:00 GMT
The 207/607 were to be cut back to Shepherds Bush station but that never happened. It hasn't been shelved
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Post by Hassaan on Apr 26, 2020 23:34:29 GMT
The blinds that came with the ADEs at AV had "120 Hounslow, Blenheim Centre" on the side. However, I've never seen a (publicly available) proposal to change the route in the area, so I wonder what the plan was there?
Back in 2016, there was a proposal to change the H28 in Osterley. Instead of going between Jersey Road and Syon Lane via Wood Lane, Amhurst Gardens, Twickenham Road (West Middlesex Hospital) and Busch Corner, the plan was to go direct from Jersey Road to Syon Lane, serve Osterley Tesco, pick up the old route until the end of Syon Lane, then turn left onto London Road to terminate at Brentford County Court. Luckily this didn't go ahead as the roads surrounding Wood Lane would lose their bus service, plus a wider area losing the direct bus to West Middlesex Hospital. Whole reason for the change was to avoid the level crossing on Wood Lane as the rail service over it was increasing to 10tph in the peaks (introduced progressively since 2017).
At the same time, the E8 was to pick up the old H28 bit on Twickenham Road (West Middlesex Hospital) and Amhurst Gardens, but they ran into problems on that latter road so the route stayed direct via London Road. Had that gone ahead, the evening and Sunday service on Amhurst Gardens would be triple (!) compared to the H28. Yep, the E8 is still every 10 minutes at those times! How on earth that survived A. the double deck conversion, and B. the 2017-18 cuts, is a miracle.
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Post by Hassaan on Apr 26, 2020 23:40:24 GMT
I remeber years ago of seeing on the London bus net that the 43 was supposed to be extended to New Southgate but it didn't happen. Another was the 224 was supposed to be rerouted between Central Middlesex Hospital and Twyford Abbey Road via Coronation Road, Lakeside Drive, Bodiam Way and then Twyford Abbey Road. The double run via Iveagh Avenue would be discontiuned. This rerouting keep coming up but nothing happens because the nimbys along Twyford Abbey Road stop it from happen. I wish sometimes that TfL would put two fingers up at the residents and go with the rerouting. The bus gate in the width restriction on Twyford Abbey Road is still there, blocked by a removable bollard. Also in the area we have the bus lanes on the section of Rainsford Road that has no buses!
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Post by COBO on Apr 27, 2020 0:07:13 GMT
I remeber years ago of seeing on the London bus net that the 43 was supposed to be extended to New Southgate but it didn't happen. Another was the 224 was supposed to be rerouted between Central Middlesex Hospital and Twyford Abbey Road via Coronation Road, Lakeside Drive, Bodiam Way and then Twyford Abbey Road. The double run via Iveagh Avenue would be discontiuned. This rerouting keep coming up but nothing happens because the nimbys along Twyford Abbey Road stop it from happen. I wish sometimes that TfL would put two fingers up at the residents and go with the rerouting. The bus gate in the width restriction on Twyford Abbey Road is still there, blocked by a removable bollard. Also in the area we have the bus lanes on the section of Rainsford Road that has no buses! I heard on yahoo group that bus stops had been installed. I have just now looked at Twyford Abbey Road on Streetview to see if it's true and what did I see a bus flag and a markings for a bus stop but yet no bus. How bizare. Screenshot 2020-04-27 at 01.01.26 by Courtney Bonnick, on Flickr Screenshot 2020-04-27 at 01.01.58 by Courtney Bonnick, on Flickr
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Post by rif153 on Apr 27, 2020 8:23:27 GMT
Back in 2016, there was a proposal to change the H28 in Osterley. Instead of going between Jersey Road and Syon Lane via Wood Lane, Amhurst Gardens, Twickenham Road (West Middlesex Hospital) and Busch Corner, the plan was to go direct from Jersey Road to Syon Lane, serve Osterley Tesco, pick up the old route until the end of Syon Lane, then turn left onto London Road to terminate at Brentford County Court. Luckily this didn't go ahead as the roads surrounding Wood Lane would lose their bus service, plus a wider area losing the direct bus to West Middlesex Hospital. Whole reason for the change was to avoid the level crossing on Wood Lane as the rail service over it was increasing to 10tph in the peaks (introduced progressively since 2017). At the same time, the E8 was to pick up the old H28 bit on Twickenham Road (West Middlesex Hospital) and Amhurst Gardens, but they ran into problems on that latter road so the route stayed direct via London Road. Had that gone ahead, the evening and Sunday service on Amhurst Gardens would be triple (!) compared to the H28. Yep, the E8 is still every 10 minutes at those times! How on earth that survived A. the double deck conversion, and B. the 2017-18 cuts, is a miracle. I'd completely forgotten those abandoned proposals. I think it was such a shame the E8 proposal to go via West Middlesex Hospital didn't go ahead because this would provide a very useful link, whilst still providing the link to Hounslow, whilst I do find the round the corner link provided by the E8 to Hounslow very nifty, waiting for 267s in Brentford is often very frustrating.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 27, 2020 8:36:23 GMT
It was something to do with Amhurst Gardens not being considered suitable for DDs. Not sure if residential opposition or if there was something to do with the trees down there.
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Post by danorak on Apr 27, 2020 9:17:31 GMT
It was something to do with Amhurst Gardens not being considered suitable for DDs. Not sure if residential opposition or if there was something to do with the trees down there. The trees couldn't be trimmed to allow DDs as the species had a sort of defence mechanism that led them to sprout spikes if they were cut! So the trees would have to have been removed entirely and replaced. As Amhurst Gardens was basically going to be used as a bus rat-run with no benefit to residents, it's probably not surprising this one was quietly forgotten about.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 27, 2020 9:27:28 GMT
I think some similar trees had been removed from streets in Chiswick and were going to be cut down from Ashurst gardens aswell.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 27, 2020 9:38:02 GMT
It was something to do with Amhurst Gardens not being considered suitable for DDs. Not sure if residential opposition or if there was something to do with the trees down there. The trees couldn't be trimmed to allow DDs as the species had a sort of defence mechanism that led them to sprout spikes if they were cut! So the trees would have to have been removed entirely and replaced. As Amhurst Gardens was basically going to be used as a bus rat-run with no benefit to residents, it's probably not surprising this one was quietly forgotten about. The residents objections were understandable to be fair, was a double run from Busch Corner not considered?
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Post by ThinLizzy on Apr 27, 2020 13:03:27 GMT
Another one in my area that has come to mind was the W19 proposed extension to Aldbrough Hatch- not sure how it was going to get there, whether it was via the 169 up Ley Street or via the old 251 route from Seven Kings,
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