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Post by M1199 on Apr 27, 2020 22:25:14 GMT
The U1 was supposed to have been extended from Ruislip to somewhere in South Ruislip. That was back in 2007/8, when the U1 only went as far as Hillingdon Hospital, the planned extension was something like: Ruislip Station Pembroke Road Ruislip Manor Station Victoria Road Sidmouth Drive West End Road Ruislip Gardens Station Station Approach South Ruislip Station Victoria Road Terminating at Stonefield Way. Whether it was planned to run via the one way loop round Stonefield Way or turn at the roundabount is something I guess we'll never know. I got the planned route on a list of proposed changes document that was being handed out at the time from the Travel information place that they used to have in Uxbridge Station, but it's buried deep somewhere up in the loft! Seem to remember the extension didn't go ahead due to issues along Sidmouth Drive. At the same time as the U1, the U10 was originally planned to be extended to Uxbridge Industrial Estate, following the 58 (now 3) to Cowley Mill Road, Ashley Road, Arundel Road to Sailsbury Road. Then heading back towards Uxbridge via Wallingford Road and Cowley Mill Road. Pretty sure that was scrapped cause there wasn't anywhere for a stand on Sailsbury Road and the left turn from Wallingford Road onto Cowley Mill Road was rather tight. (Which has since been modified) Found a pic on Flickr of what the blind display would of looked like. www.flickr.com/photos/royalmailman/35787577824/in/faves-62959794@N06/Incidentally the DMC's also had South Ruislip 'Stonefield Way' on their blinds for the U1 With hindsight, it was probably a good job that the U10 extension and the proposed route U11 (which I've never seen any info about, apart from what's on the DE blindsets) never went ahead, as the Industrial Estate is a shadow of its former self, but it is ironic that with UE on Wallingford Road, buses would now have a place to stand!
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Post by M1199 on Apr 27, 2020 22:37:08 GMT
I remeber years ago of seeing on the London bus net that the 43 was supposed to be extended to New Southgate but it didn't happen. Another was the 224 was supposed to be rerouted between Central Middlesex Hospital and Twyford Abbey Road via Coronation Road, Lakeside Drive, Bodiam Way and then Twyford Abbey Road. The double run via Iveagh Avenue would be discontiuned. This rerouting keep coming up but nothing happens because the nimbys along Twyford Abbey Road stop it from happen. I wish sometimes that TfL would put two fingers up at the residents and go with the rerouting. The bus gate in the width restriction on Twyford Abbey Road is still there, blocked by a removable bollard. Also in the area we have the bus lanes on the section of Rainsford Road that has no buses! TfL have tried rerouting the 224 away from Iveagh Ave at least 2-3 times now in the last decade, with the ex having used to live down Iveagh Ave, have spend many a night waiting for a bus there, quite a nice stop with the green on either side. At one point, they took both the stop and shelter away, replacing it with a dolly stop! I guess thats has close it come to being rerouted, but now a proper stop has been re positioned. Many an evening I'd hear a DM reversing as it couldn't quite make the turn on the loop due to someone parking their car inconsiderately! Been a fair while now since I last done the 224, must add it to the to-do list once life returns to normality!
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Post by M1104 on Apr 27, 2020 22:45:38 GMT
I seem to remember back around 2000 on a plan for a P10 from Crystal Palace to Canada Water. I don't know the exact routing but it would have gone through Peckham and likely a round-the-houses route. There were also plans to re-route the P3 (now the 343) away from Southampton Way and down a parallel new road built with the new houses off Peckham Road... through what used to be the North Peckham Estate.
I remember reading the details in one of the LOTS publications from 1999 or 2000.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 27, 2020 22:48:23 GMT
The P10 was apparently going to cross the 'five estates' but I'm not sure where that actually is. I'm assuming it would have then come out on the Old Kent Road then followed the P13 (now P12) to Canada Water.
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Post by M1104 on Apr 27, 2020 23:06:35 GMT
The P10 was apparently going to cross the 'five estates' but I'm not sure where that actually is. I'm assuming it would have then come out on the Old Kent Road then followed the P13 (now P12) to Canada Water. I seem to recall a set of traffic lights along Peckham Road with a lane designed for a right turn for buses only from westbound Peckham Road into one of the new roads built with the houses. That right turn was meant to become active once the P3 (and possibly also the P10) had their respective schemes kicked in. I remember when doing the 345¹ that the traffic lights for that right turn were covered, presumably still working with the other traffic lights at that Junction. The new road had a white gate across it for the time being, however that 'time being' appeared to last the best part of ten years before the junction was modified to exclude the lane, the traffic lights also being replaced as the new ones erected at the time were of the old 1970s based design, which around 2000 were being phased out in favour of the traffic lights we see in abundance today. ¹ ‐ and light running 37 back to SW
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Post by vjaska on Apr 28, 2020 0:36:59 GMT
The P10 was apparently going to cross the 'five estates' but I'm not sure where that actually is. I'm assuming it would have then come out on the Old Kent Road then followed the P13 (now P12) to Canada Water. I seem to recall a set of traffic lights along Peckham Road with a lane designed for a right turn for buses only from westbound Peckham Road into one of the new roads built with the houses. That right turn was meant to become active once the P3 )and possibly also the P10) had their respective schemes kicked in. I remember when doing the 345¹ that the traffic lights for that right turn were covered, presumably still working with the other traffic lights at that Junction. The new road had a white gate across it for the time being, however that 'time being' appeared to last the best part of ten years before the junction was modified to exclude the lane, the traffic lights also being replaced as the new ones erected at the time were of the old 1970s based design, which around 2000 and were being phased out in favour of the traffic lights we see in abundance today. ¹ ‐ and light running 37 back to SW Yes, I saw said bus lane there many times and always wondered what that was for - I wonder if the 129's proposed extension was to also take that lane into the estate as the bus lane was still there at the time the 129 was proposed to extend to Peckham?
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Post by Alex on Apr 28, 2020 0:55:50 GMT
The P10 was apparently going to cross the 'five estates' but I'm not sure where that actually is. I'm assuming it would have then come out on the Old Kent Road then followed the P13 (now P12) to Canada Water. Five estates - Gloucester Grove, Willowbrook, Camden, Sumner and North Peckham. There's a map a short scroll from the top of this: municipaldreams.wordpress.com/2016/10/25/the-five-estates-peckham-part-iii/Basically Burgess Park north side, Southampton Way west side, Willowbrook Road east side, Peckham Road south side and Commercial Way running through.
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Post by M1104 on Apr 28, 2020 8:43:49 GMT
I seem to recall a set of traffic lights along Peckham Road with a lane designed for a right turn for buses only from westbound Peckham Road into one of the new roads built with the houses. That right turn was meant to become active once the P3 )and possibly also the P10) had their respective schemes kicked in. I remember when doing the 345¹ that the traffic lights for that right turn were covered, presumably still working with the other traffic lights at that Junction. The new road had a white gate across it for the time being, however that 'time being' appeared to last the best part of ten years before the junction was modified to exclude the lane, the traffic lights also being replaced as the new ones erected at the time were of the old 1970s based design, which around 2000 and were being phased out in favour of the traffic lights we see in abundance today. ¹ ‐ and light running 37 back to SW Yes, I saw said bus lane there many times and always wondered what that was for - I wonder if the 129's proposed extension was to also take that lane into the estate as the bus lane was still there at the time the 129 was proposed to extend to Peckham? I never thought about that with the 129. I believe the 136 is now extended beyond Peckham but I think that may have been after that Peckham Road junction had already changed, else that may have then gone through the new roads.
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Post by busboy17 on Apr 30, 2020 21:20:50 GMT
Don't think we have a thread of this nature so I thought I would start one, about proposed routes and service revisions that were proposed but never went ahead. Just been looking through an old LOTS copy from January 2004, where two proposed routes were put out to tender - route D5 in tranche 160 and route 228 in tranche 278. I'd heard about the 228 previously, it was a Eltham Green to North Greenwich link, via Blackheath, similar to what the 335 now does 15 years later. Interestingly I remember hearing the stumbling block to the 228 going ahead was no suitable bids due to a lack of bus garages in the area, ironic that despite a garage opening along the route in that time, it eventually came to fruition running from far-away Dartford! Surprised ETB didn't run the 228 as they did in the same situation with the 393 a couple of years before. I'd not heard anything about the D5 though - obviously a Docklands area route with the 'D' prefix but I'd be interested to hear if anyone knew any more about this. There's also plenty of other examples that have occurred over the years so get posting! Can’t lie 2020 feels like 2004 like 2004 got rid of N27 N53 N242 N250 and 2020 they all come back?
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 30, 2020 21:28:54 GMT
The N prefix is back in favour again it seems. No doubt as some of the route shortening would have been considered totally unacceptable if the night service on the 25 had also been cut to City Thameslink. Same with the 53.
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Post by vjaska on May 1, 2020 1:12:09 GMT
The N prefix is back in favour again it seems. No doubt as some of the route shortening would have been considered totally unacceptable if the night service on the 25 had also been cut to City Thameslink. Same with the 53. Only because of a day route being shortened whilst the night route remains intact so I personally wouldn't call it being back in favour but more of a by-product of largely unnecessary cuts to day routes.
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Post by ian on May 3, 2020 16:02:20 GMT
In NW London, I can think of… There was a developer plan to have the 221 run via Millbrook Park An initial proposal for a 304 from Brent Cross to Mill Hill that ultimately became the change to the route of the 186 (when the official plans for the redevelopment of GP were underway) The initial draft plans for the 303 back in 1990/911 had it funning via Deansbrook Road (east) then up Deans Lane to The Hale and hence Edgware, before they got the plan to run via Deansbrook Road (west) approved (and then we had 305/292 change – before of course many years later the 303/305 merger) A plan to run the 288 via Broadfields Avenue (south) to Edgware Library and hence Edgware station rather than via A41 and Edgwarebury Lane – I think this one may have reached the point of consultation but can’t recall exactly TfL investigated running the N/113 via Mill Hill Broadway and Hale/Selvage Lanes back in 2009.
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Post by vjaska on May 3, 2020 16:35:14 GMT
In NW London, I can think of… There was a developer plan to have the 221 run via Millbrook Park An initial proposal for a 304 from Brent Cross to Mill Hill that ultimately became the change to the route of the 186 (when the official plans for the redevelopment of GP were underway) The initial draft plans for the 303 back in 1990/911 had it funning via Deansbrook Road (east) then up Deans Lane to The Hale and hence Edgware, before they got the plan to run via Deansbrook Road (west) approved (and then we had 305/292 change – before of course many years later the 303/305 merger) A plan to run the 288 via Broadfields Avenue (south) to Edgware Library and hence Edgware station rather than via A41 and Edgwarebury Lane – I think this one may have reached the point of consultation but can’t recall exactly TfL investigated running the N/113 via Mill Hill Broadway and Hale/Selvage Lanes back in 2009. The 221 one was actually realised but as a temporary diversion - personally thought it was a good idea to run through the estate via a double run at Mill Hill East Station as then passengers could board to & from the station into Millbrook Park itself.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 3, 2020 21:40:44 GMT
The 357 was talked about for withdrawal and had its contract extended to give time to decide. Not sure if there were any associated changes to other routes or whether it would be left to the 212/97/20/257.
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Post by COBO on May 3, 2020 22:01:26 GMT
Wasn’t it proposed that the TfL routes that cross into Hertfordshire and Debden I.e the 20, 142, 258, 549 and etc was going to be removed from Debden and Hertfordshire because the support for those routes was going to be cut?
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